For the record, not all women insist on a diamond, except reflexively... I actually know few couples that have bought diamond rings (for many reasons - some financial planning (a young couple should be worried about a house, insurance and retirement before a shiny ring) and some ethical (if you buy a new diamond, there is absolutely metaphorical blood on it - terrible juju to kick off a lifetime commitment of love))
Self-interest/selfish alert: if you're rolling in it and get that $30k ring for your spouse-to-be, don't give it to them on their birthday, Christmas or any other gifting occasion, because they don't have to give it back if they decide to ditch you Pre-nuptuals.
In my mind if a marriage isn't a lifetime commitment, then forget any of the other traditions.
In many jurisdictions an engagement ring is considered a conditional gift (conditional upon her agreement to marry you).
This is logical. Otherwise why not string along as many man as possible to the point of proposal, then thank them for the shiny ring and wish them farewell? Take the strategy to its inevitable conclusion, and if the woman in question calls off the engagement at any point, she should return the ring.
For the record, not all women insist on a diamond, except reflexively... I actually know few couples that have bought diamond rings (for many reasons - some financial planning (a young couple should be worried about a house, insurance and retirement before a shiny ring) and some ethical (if you buy a new diamond, there is absolutely metaphorical blood on it - terrible juju to kick off a lifetime commitment of love))
Self-interest/selfish alert: if you're rolling in it and get that $30k ring for your spouse-to-be, don't give it to them on their birthday, Christmas or any other gifting occasion, because they don't have to give it back if they decide to ditch you Pre-nuptuals.
In my mind if a marriage isn't a lifetime commitment, then forget any of the other traditions.