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As a person with Polish heritage, it's interesting how we see things differently. Best of luck to you.

Edit: I live in Australia.


Perhaps the difference is having heritage vs having lived for a large portion of life and still having ties and relatives there?

Also, please elaborate. How does does having come from Poland figure into this conversation? You yearn for Soviet rule and hate what capitalism stands for? Or sympathize with Russian justifications for their aggression against a neighbor state and their own people? I can only speculate lacking any detail.


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> As to this particular war - the US agreed at the end of the cold war not to expand NATO east and yet it did, breaking the agreement.

This is a persistent myth, there was never an agreement to not expand NATO with the USSR, and the one person who would know at the time Mikhail Gorbachev has said as much.

> At multiple points during this war, the Russians have offered to negotiate. Instead, the US has responded with "to the last Ukrainian".

The Ukrainians where negotiating regarding the war then the Russians where pushed out of a number of cities that they held and we saw the horrific scene they left behind.

That is likely the point that the Ukrainian's decided that there would be no negotiating.

> Today, Russia is essentially also arguing for pre-emptive war but the reasoning - putting American missiles and forces in Ukraine - is a hell of a lot plausible.

Yet theres no war against Finland is there, and there will be US soldiers in Finland far before they are ever in Ukraine.

> The fact that there has been not one effort to negotiate by the Americans shows that the West isn't interested in peace or the interests of Ukrainians - they simply want a country naive and suicidal enough to throw themselves against the Russian subhumans.

There has been an effort to negotiate by the Americans, which ironically angered a large number of people as it happened behind the backs of Ukraine by using back channels.


The sheer amount of whataboutism, lies, and deflections you just wrote is staggering, truly.

First, no-one promised to expand NATO to russia; Gorbachov himself rebuked this.

Second, have you ever considered that countries want to join a defensive(sic!) bloc not to appease "the West", but to safeguard against what happened in Georgia and what is happening in Ukraine right now?

If russia sees the expansion of NATO as a problem, then why did both putin and his establishment repeatedly deny recent inclusion of Finland/Sweden as being an issue? Why did russia completely empty its Finland border and send equipment and soldiers from those bases to Ukraine?

Third, russians never attempted to "negotiate" in good faith; all their inane "demands" - denazification (aka killing all Ukrainians who disagree with them), demilitarisation, etc etc - remained the same.

Fourth, "at the present the Ukrainians have lost" is simply incredible. Let's see how this year played out: "special military operation to take Kyiv in 3 days" is now reaching its second year; Ukraine regained more territories this year than russia ("world's 2nd army") gained in the same year; russia having to beg North Korea for artillery shells; rouble in free-fall; finally, a warlord's private military company nearly completing his march to Moscow in actual 3 days.

Fifth, the conditions of any peace negotiations remain the same: russia gets out of Ukraine. This has been Ukraine's position from day 1.

Finally, I can assure you the majority of Ukrainian population despises russia after what you've done. There is no "Perfidious West" forcing anyone to fight.

P.S. Quit LARPing. Your first comment on HN is literally about Poland wanting to partition Ukraine - another insane conspiracy theory spread around by IRA et. al. Every accusation is admission with you lot, every single time.


>Today, Russia is essentially also arguing for pre-emptive war but the reasoning - putting American missiles and forces in Ukraine - is a hell of a lot plausible.

The Russian government invaded Ukraine because they consider it a fake nation that was illegitimately carved out of Russia. The "neo-Nazi NATO" excuses were just lies they made up for naive Westerners.


At this point it’s a chicken an egg problem - do russians really believe what you said, or are their beliefs a product of decades of internal propaganda?

I mean, yeah, probably many of them believe it now.

Personally, I lean towards this - after 20 years in power Putin is a defacto dictator perched on top of a government machine he constructed to keep him there. A machine composed of various pieces of corruption, propaganda, repressions, and bribes.

And like many dictatorships before - having to pressure relief valve of changing people in power, he has to deflect discontent elsewhere, external enemies, NATO, etc, and ply his population with achievements they can soothe themselves with while submerged in poverty and corruption. And justifications are made up as needed by the machine of the state.


You are repeating russian propaganda and there are people far smarter than I that have repeatedly tried to explain why it is such and failed, and I won’t bother trying.


You mean Austria? People often mix them up.


They are worried that their populations might work out that Western populations are kept enthralled to the US security state and rebel. Russia is bad but US blows up gas pipeline for democracy and freedom.

Now hand over $800 billion dollars for 'defense'. And $368 billion for AUKUS. And the European bill will be interesting to watch over the next few years.

Just don't think about that F word - fascism.


Perhaps if America has killed your friends, family or country, Russia looks preferable.


This is the West. You are either with us or against us. Forever.



We have always been at war with Eastasia.


That isn't a success; it indicates a sick society. One that is profitable for Y combinator though.


As a loyal firefox user since the 0.5 release which took 30s to start up, Mozilla is a non-entity these days. It exists solely so that Google can avoid legal disputes. In the mean time, a bunch of grifters have taken over Mozilla for their own financial purposes and push some activist causes rather than a solid browser.


Equally, one might say that you don't know how the world works and how these scores will be governed by the few to get power over the many.


No one is forcing you to make decisions based on ESG. There are fund that invest based on ESG. Equally there are funds that don't.

You can also buy whatever stocks and shares you want. ESG does not prevent companies from listing.

If you don't want to invest based on ESG then don't.


Not yet they aren't; wait until governments or other highly influential organisations such as banks decide to direct pension funds and the like to invest only according to certain ESG profiles and give individuals a convoluted and difficult option if they wish to "opt out".

If these concerns people have about ESG are so important, they should be passed at the democratic level via legislation. At least that way, people could debate and change the system as needed. You didn't need ESG to get rid of lead plumbing - just an interested government.

Of course these days, we can only have private power, not public power.


There was nothing offensive or corrosive about the way you stated the correction so I don't see why you should be down voted; as someone who is learning a foreign language, I can say that having this kind of correction is useful.

Rewarding the mob for its hysteria and stupidity by hiding away from them is the wrong move in my humble opinion; after all, you're only losing internet points which aren't real.


We should only listen to western propaganda. It's more true.


The reality is people have to die for corporate socialism and global hegemony. That's why there's no talk of negotiations and anyone discussing this war in neutral, or even Western critical terms is denounced as a Putin troll; even on this site. Trump has to be arrested because a 'far right MAGA Republican' suggests peace and RFK Jr is denounced as a dangerous conspiracy theorist.

Your comment is admirable but misses the point; it's not about helping people, it's about finding issues that can be drowned in hysteria to shovel tax payer money into corporate bank accounts. Once Ukraine is finished (which is about now depending on what Poland tries to do with western Ukraine/Galicia) the campaign will switch to some pablum about how the US did its best and stopped Putin in his tracks but it's time to move on. Since the US election is coming up, the corporate money will be behind Biden, at least if Trump wins the nomination. Assuming Biden wins, then another campaign will begin to repeat the cycle.

Note - I'm not "pro-Trump"; he is some sort of clown but seems to have the vested interests riled up because he picked a peace platform, probably so he can put defense spending into his own pocket. That is verboten.


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