The sheer amount of whataboutism, lies, and deflections you just wrote is staggering, truly.
First, no-one promised to expand NATO to russia; Gorbachov himself rebuked this.
Second, have you ever considered that countries want to join a defensive(sic!) bloc not to appease "the West", but to safeguard against what happened in Georgia and what is happening in Ukraine right now?
If russia sees the expansion of NATO as a problem, then why did both putin and his establishment repeatedly deny recent inclusion of Finland/Sweden as being an issue? Why did russia completely empty its Finland border and send equipment and soldiers from those bases to Ukraine?
Third, russians never attempted to "negotiate" in good faith; all their inane "demands" - denazification (aka killing all Ukrainians who disagree with them), demilitarisation, etc etc - remained the same.
Fourth, "at the present the Ukrainians have lost" is simply incredible. Let's see how this year played out: "special military operation to take Kyiv in 3 days" is now reaching its second year; Ukraine regained more territories this year than russia ("world's 2nd army") gained in the same year; russia having to beg North Korea for artillery shells; rouble in free-fall; finally, a warlord's private military company nearly completing his march to Moscow in actual 3 days.
Fifth, the conditions of any peace negotiations remain the same: russia gets out of Ukraine. This has been Ukraine's position from day 1.
Finally, I can assure you the majority of Ukrainian population despises russia after what you've done. There is no "Perfidious West" forcing anyone to fight.
P.S. Quit LARPing. Your first comment on HN is literally about Poland wanting to partition Ukraine - another insane conspiracy theory spread around by IRA et. al. Every accusation is admission with you lot, every single time.
First, no-one promised to expand NATO to russia; Gorbachov himself rebuked this.
Second, have you ever considered that countries want to join a defensive(sic!) bloc not to appease "the West", but to safeguard against what happened in Georgia and what is happening in Ukraine right now?
If russia sees the expansion of NATO as a problem, then why did both putin and his establishment repeatedly deny recent inclusion of Finland/Sweden as being an issue? Why did russia completely empty its Finland border and send equipment and soldiers from those bases to Ukraine?
Third, russians never attempted to "negotiate" in good faith; all their inane "demands" - denazification (aka killing all Ukrainians who disagree with them), demilitarisation, etc etc - remained the same.
Fourth, "at the present the Ukrainians have lost" is simply incredible. Let's see how this year played out: "special military operation to take Kyiv in 3 days" is now reaching its second year; Ukraine regained more territories this year than russia ("world's 2nd army") gained in the same year; russia having to beg North Korea for artillery shells; rouble in free-fall; finally, a warlord's private military company nearly completing his march to Moscow in actual 3 days.
Fifth, the conditions of any peace negotiations remain the same: russia gets out of Ukraine. This has been Ukraine's position from day 1.
Finally, I can assure you the majority of Ukrainian population despises russia after what you've done. There is no "Perfidious West" forcing anyone to fight.
P.S. Quit LARPing. Your first comment on HN is literally about Poland wanting to partition Ukraine - another insane conspiracy theory spread around by IRA et. al. Every accusation is admission with you lot, every single time.