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So far, what I see is:

"Don't use Twitter."

And on the smaller side is "Don't upload shit to social media."



You missed the bigger point, then: Mob justice is a barbaric and ugly thing; stop patting yourself on the back and thinking you're a good person for being a part of it.


Actually he hit it right on the nail. The takeaway is don't use twitter, and say nothing. That mob justice is just a secondary takeaway.


This is not about justice, it's about a bad human being getting what she deserved. When you're an open racist you are a bad human being.


> This is not about justice, it's about a bad human being getting what she deserved.

... I'm sorry, I thought we were using the English language here and that we had a seven-letter Latin-derived word that we generally used to describe the situation of "[person] getting what [he/she] deserved". Perhaps I erred. Entschuldigung; tut mir leid.

But regardless, even accepting the (modestly tendentious) assertion that this is about a Bad Human Being, angry mobs following the Outrage Of The Moment and out for blood are hideous and disgusting phenomena themselves at the best of times. The modern justice system was largely invented to counter these barbarous shortcomings, which is why we have nice things like presumption of innocence, rights of the accused, impartial trials, the notion of the finitude of one's debt to society, et cetera.


I don't think someone is a "bad human being" even if he or she thoughtlessly makes a bad joke.

Moreover, lynch mob can hit someone wasn't bad at all. Someone just mishears or misunderstands, is mightily offended and the twitter storm starts. Like that guy who joked about dongles. It is not inconceivable that someone might make a half-tone joke that is completely harmless, and someone mishears and thinks it was racist or sexist.

There is no way to defend against that. "I didn't say that (in that context)" is not going to work.


I think that people who meet the following criteria:

- Are judgmental or annoying.

- Feel the need to interject their unsolicited opinion.

- Are not me.

Will be categorized as "bad" people. Bad people should have their livelihoods taken away from them and be subject to public shaming.

Please report to HR.


>racist

I'm not sure you know what that word means. Telling an off-color joke that simply referenced race is not necessarily being racist, any more than telling "your mom" or "that's what she said" jokes makes someone sexist.

Racist:

NOUN

    a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another.


"bad human being."

I'm sorry, but none of us are capable of judging the entirety of a human being as "bad" or not, based on a few of their tweets.

Cast the first stone, and all of that.


It's about the scale of the response. If someone rolls their eyes at you, you don't throw them down and stomp on their head. Yes, they were rude, you perhaps would be OK to flip them the bird, but a curb stomp? Really?

And please don't say this is totally different because racism. It was an isolated twitter joke to 140 followers. Tweets don't move the world - but floods of them can certainly ruin individual lives.


Firstly, she's not a racist, she made one joke with racial tones.

Secondly, do you not see how your position is a rather extreme one, that other, more moderate people might not endorse? Racism is bad, but saying racists aren't people and deserve any kind of mob justice against them is also bad.


I'm worried about people who water down the term "racist" to mean someone who posts mean things on Twitter.

I'm sure the systemic issue with blacks in America is largely caused by immature comments on Twitter. I'm so glad the lynch mob was able to right this wrong, its almost like I'm living in a post-racial America!


So you are not of the opinion that her tweet was rather about privilege?

When you make assumptions about someone based on 1 line, then you may or may not be a bad human being ;)


Correspondingly, this thread is about a bad HN user getting what s(he) deserved. When you don't read TFA you are a bad HN user :)


So, if a person is racist, but doesn't say a thing, than they're good?

Sorry, can't see any logic in your statement there.


you're awfully quick to judge a person you've never met and know nothing of except for about 16 words you read on twitter.


I missed no such point. If you want to be a racist, sexist, or anything else potentially covered by *-ist, do so locally and quietly. If you don't, the mob of internet injustices will hit and will kill your livelihood.


You are assuming that the "mob of internet injustices" make good choices. It's pretty clear that they don't in all cases. As someone else said, that's why we have due process, we're supposed be thoughtful before we get out the torches.


This type of mass shaming existed before twitter. The Steve Bartman incident[0] comes to mind. The difference appears to be that it used to only be possible for such things to snowball when the media or a celebrity pushed the issue into the spotlight. Nowadays, twitter allows for quick and easy mass shaming by anyone and everyone.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bartman_incident


Thank you. Sometimes the leads you get here give us gems like this:

"The loose ball was snatched up by a Chicago lawyer and sold at an auction in December 2003. Grant DePorter purchased it for $113,824.16 on behalf of Harry Caray's Restaurant Group. On February 26, 2004, it was publicly detonated by special effects expert Michael Lantieri.

In 2005, the remains of the ball were used by the restaurant in a pasta sauce."


It's worth saying that this does seem to be something distinct to twitter (maybe tumblr has some elements of it). It doesn't seem to happen in the same way on facebook or less social-oriented web fora.

(That's my impression anyway; I don't have statistics)


Well, as a sometimes Cubs fan, I have to say Steve deserved what he got.


As a fellow Cubs fan, you're dead wrong.

The play Bartman disrupted didn't advance any runners. It was a foul ball. Cubs were up 3-0, with one out. Had Moises Alou caught the ball, there would have been two outs. The Marlins proceeded to score 4 runs before the second out occurred, and another 4 before the third.

Bartman didn't throw a wild pitch, or commit a fielding error, or give up 5 hits and eight runs. The Cubs did.


Yes, but all that happened after the Bartman incident. Pre Bartman, expected runs were 0.69. If Alou makes that catch, expected runs drop by over 50% to 0.33.

http://www.nssl.noaa.gov/users/brooks/public_html/feda/datas...




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