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"Rate" is an ambiguous word. Molested children per year is a rate just as molested children per total children is.

>something like 1 per 100,000

What is this? What number are you citing, and where are you getting it from?

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I've never heard anyone say that a rate is ambiguous.

It seems like you're trying to be disingenuous, first with "rate", now with my clearly-arbitrary example of rate.

> something like


A rate is just a ratio between two quantities. You've never heard speed defined as the rate of movement?

I might have interpreted your example as such if not for the "one too many" comment. It's strange to throw out a completely fictitious figure and then lament it as if it's real.


who is fighting windmills now? :P

see how your patience has been rewarded... no good deed goes unpunished. he will never produce an actual figure. look at his other replies. such a victim complex. on behalf of the catholic church. regarding their sexual abuse of minors. what more is there to say?


> he will never produce an actual figure.

> It's strange to throw out a completely fictitious figure and then lament it as if it's real.

You two are insufferable.

Anyway:

If you do an online search, the first results you may get, say how hard it is to compare. Here is one comparison that I did find:

https://actheologian.com/2025/04/22/comparing-child-abuse-ra...

Please note, this is not where I got my figures years ago, as I no longer have access to that source.

> Public Schools ~450 per 100,000

> Boy Scouts ~100–200 per 100,000

> Protestant Churches Likely 1–5 per 100,000

> Catholic Church (Priests Only) ~1 per 100,000

Also note, something like 90% of the Boy Scout sexual abuse cases were prior to the 1970s before they started mandating adults to take youth protection training. Today, the Boy Scouts and Catholic Church have some of the most comprehensive youth protection traing around, way better than any schools' youth protection training according to educators that I've talked with.

Good riddance. Go sharpen your ideological axes somewhere else.


No, it seems more like you are being disingenuous. All you have to do is drop a link to the rates you’re referring to. Instead you’re just arguing semantics. Where’s the receipts?

> something like

I thought adding "for example" at the end was just unnecessary redundancy, but I guess I was wrong.

I still don't understand why the other person is trying to cross-examine me on the definition of "rate" or whatever though. That is the person arguing semantics, not me... (Same with you, except you're going one step further and trying to gaslight me.)

I'm curious, do you have something against churches and/or Scouts?


No, you said explicitly that kids are sexually assaulted at a higher rate in schools than they are in churches or scouts.

You clarified that you mean per 100,000 children more are likely to be sexually assaulted in schools.

Usually when someone has a belief like this, it’s grounded by something that they read or learned somewhere. Where did you learn this? Why aren’t you sharing the source with everyone else so they can learn it too?

But there’s still nuance there that you’re ignoring as well. We could say that rate should be examined per hour because a kid will spend 30 hours per week at school vs a few hours per week at scouts or church. Without your source though, we have no idea what the rates are, if they are what you say, if there’s even a significant difference, etc.

Now you’re trying to act like a victim because people want clarity on what exactly you mean and where you learned it.

Nobody is “gaslighting” you, just give the receipts.


> just give the receipts.

Just read my last comment I posted two hours before you posted yours?

> you’re ignoring as well.

You're assuming facts not in evidence.

> We could say that rate should be examined per hour because a kid will spend 30 hours per week at school vs...

"Don't worry Timmy, even though you were molested at school, because you're forced to go there every (week)day and spend more time there than church, Boy Scouts, etc, you statistically had less of a chance per hour of being molested."

Per hour makes zero sense.

Do you have something against churches or scouts? I can't imagine why you are being ao convoluted otherwise.

> Nobody is “gaslighting” you, just give the receipts.

I already gave the "receipts". Stop trying to gaslight me.

...

FYI everyone else: the Boy Scouts has a "two deep" leadership policy, meaning no private one-on-one contact between youth and adults. That's why 90+% of cases were from over 50 years ago. And don't believe everything you read on reddit, because I saw one comment where someone claimed they were abused as a kid by their troop manager... No one who actually was a Scout would call their Scoutmaster a "troop manager". It almost certainly was someone who was ideologically opposed to Boy Scouts. (If someone can teach me how to use reddit's aweful search function to find that comment, I'll gladly provide that "receipt".)


> I already gave the "receipts". Stop trying to gaslight me.

Not to me and not when I asked. And you just applied waaaay more effort than it would have taken.

> Don't worry Timmy, even though you were molested at school, because you're forced to go there every (week)day and spend more time there than church, Boy Scouts, etc, you statistically had less of a chance per hour of being molested.

No, but as a parent it becomes part of your risk assessment when deciding if you want your kid to become an altar boy.


> you just applied waaaay more effort than it would have taken.

I have no idea what you mean by that. I'm guessing it's some kind of jab that didn't land.

> as a parent it becomes part of your risk assessment when deciding if you want your kid to become an altar boy.

"Timmy, remember when I told you that you should keep your private parts private, to only let the doctor touch them while wearing gloves during at the doctor's office, and to let me know if anyone touches them, tries to touch them, stares at them, or asks to see or touch them; to let me know right? That still stands. The robe goes over your clothes, you don't need to undress at church or at school. And do you remember how if someone tells you to keep a secret from me, and it's not something like a birthday surprise for me, that you should tell me. God is not going to be mad at you if you do what's right, God will be mad at someone if they try to take advantage of you, no matter what their position is."

Yes, everything has a risk assessment. Singling out a more rare risk shows that you have a bias. It has been very obvious for a while that you and a few other users have a bias. I don't know why, but I hope you heal or get better/smarter.

Being ganged up on by you all is tiring. Anyone who doesn't have a bias can see this comment chain for what it is. I'm going to move on with my life, and if you want to be happier with your lot, you should too.

Best regards, rationalist


>No one who actually was a Scout would call their Scoutmaster a "troop manager".

I was a scout and I natively speak Spanish, so I never learned what the ranks are called in English (and after nearly 30 years I've pretty much completely forgotten them in Spanish too, if I'm being honest). Are you going to call me a liar too?


Wow, you all do not stop. You've been grinding your ax so long now, it could cut a hair. If you were a Scout, you would know your ax should not be that sharp.

Not an answer to my question. If you feel ganged up on, perhaps it's time to stop posting.

No, I'm not going to call you a liar since you didn't specify the Boy Scouts of America and there are 100+ Scouting programs in different countries across the world.

The Boy Scouts of America program has only been in English until just last year (they just released the Spanish version of their Handbook last year, and now they have a Mandarin version too). Anyone who doesn't know the world "Scoutmaster" and claims to have been in the Boy Scouts of America, is very odd... I'm only calling those people liars.

Holy moly. If you thought I was calling you a liar, perhaps you should stop posting. But if you want to continue to grind your ax, since you asked me a question, I'll ask you one: do you have a bias?


Redundant question. Everyone has biases.



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