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> a genuinely good tool that enriches your thinking

A smartphone is also a genuinely good all-around tool. Even social media is a genuinely good tool for connecting people.

Yet, I feel like we've been overly optimistic about the impact of said tools on us and our societies in the past two decades.

Smartphones are so good, in fact, in some societies, half of us are addicted to them. Billions of people world-wide.

I ask myself: Will LLMs enrich my thinking in the long run, or will they ruin it?

And what about most people? Will half of us outsource most of our thinking in a decade from now?

Given the speed and global scale that we're running these experiments with, it's fair, I think, to be a bit sceptical of the conclusion that, in the long run, LLMs will enrich our thinking.



I agree with this. Tools are good, betting the farm on a single tool is bad.

Example, cars are good. Betting the farm on cars to the detriment of bikes, buses, and trains is clearly bad. The tool of an llm is clearly handy. Betting trillions of dollars and linking the future of the nation and globe to this tool is clearly bad.


Yes instead of investing everything in AI the USA should invest in electric versions of their vehicles and in trains that can safely carry them because of their lack of range.


You're being sarcastic, but literally every other developed country invests in trains and tens of millions of people drive EV's daily with no issues.

If you want to argue that LLMs are 100x more useful than a functioning railroad system I've a bridge for you to subscribe to.


There's a saying that the intelligence of an average prehistoric cave man should be, in general, higher than a modern day human simply because the lack of technology required stone age humans to be far more intelligent then we are today. Now you can survive by working as a clerk in McDs, but in the stone age you needed to be on your toes and smart af.

LLMs are just continuing the trend humanity has long been traveling down.


> There's a saying that the intelligence of an average prehistoric cave man should be, in general, higher than a modern day human simply because the lack of technology required stone age humans to be far more intelligent then we are today. Now you can survive by working as a clerk in McDs, but in the stone age you needed to be on your toes and smart af.

This is a funny twist on the glorification of the past.

Modern humans have been getting smarter even over the relatively short time periods that we’ve been measuring.

It’s called the Flynn effect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect

Modern day humans still can and do survive in the wild if they so desire. It’s not some lost intelligence that was only achievable by past ancient humans.



1. No IQ tests for prehistoric humans. 2. IQ is going down in the US.


> 2. IQ is going down in the US.

Flynn effect research says otherwise.

If you think prehistoric humans were geniuses because They could survive in the wild, by that measure monkeys and gorillas must be geniuses too.


>Flynn effect research says otherwise.

Flynn effect is just a trend for the past century or so and it's an international measure. For the past decade there's been a trend for the US exclusively that is not aligned with the flynn effect.

https://news.northwestern.edu/stories/2023/03/americans-iq-s...


That doesn't pass the sniff test, or chimpanzees would be smarter than humans.


No, the CHLCA (Chimpanzee–Human Last Common Ancestor) would be smarter than humans. It could be that chimpanzee intelligence declined faster than human intelligence. Unlikely, but I want to clarify that we did not evolve from chimpanzees. We share a common ancestor.


Stone age humans. Not pre hominids.


How do you know that? What do you know about prehistory? Nothing. You might as well be picturing the Flintstones in your head.

You're using broadly shared but totally unsubstantiated about past humans just to argue that things are good right now.


So you're claim is prehistoric humans are stupider? Also unsubstantiated. And insulting to prehistoric humans. That kind of behavior isn't allowed on HN. Don't disparage a group.


> Now you can survive by working as a clerk in McDs, but in the stone age you needed to be on your toes and smart af.

In stone age, you had to focus on other things than thinking to have enough food for the next day. And to survive otherwise.


"Flynn effect" claimed that intelligence has been increasing over time. At least we can sort of measure things in the modern era, while objectively assessing the intelligence of the long-dead is turning into skull-measuring territory.





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