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Both your first examples are clearly against HN mods' expectations as a close review of the searches I give above will show.

i read every single one of those messages before writing my previous comment and i came to a different conclusion.

Asking for reasons for disagreement (not downvotes) is legitimate

my point is that if you apply charitable reading then both are the same thing.

someone asking for reasons for downvotes is simply looking to understand and not to complain.

The root comment in this thread would have been more effective without the downvote-grousing throat clearing

yes, i did mention that too. pointing that out instead of just linking to a moderator message would have been a more effective response too :-)



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