> The video clearly shows him resisting arrest and reaching for something.
The video clearly shows the grey-masked (EDIT: Grey-hat, green mask) ICE Agent taking the gun and running away with it before everyone else shoots him.
Also, I'm inclined to believe the "arrest" was an illegal arrest to begin with. I had a big post about how police procedure and due process is supposed to work but I know no one gives a crap about due process anymore, so forget it.
It’s pretty clear that the person assaulting the woman in the orange backpack was the ICE agent. The ICE agent forcefully pushes the woman to the ground and Alex Pretti gets in between them to protect her as the ICE agent pepper sprays both of them. Orange backpack tries to stand up but is continually pepper sprayed and Alex Pretti uses his body to block the spray and is pushed/slips back onto orange backpack. It then seems like he grabs hold of her to block the spray and tries to lift her from the ground before the agents grab hold of him and pulls her away. At that point, he’s still holding onto her so she gets dragged as well.
>"The video clearly shows him resisting arrest and reaching for something."
Tell me the EXACT time in the video you see this happen.
In the video, there are 4 ICE agents on him and there's not ONE frame where the tackled protester reaches for ANYTHING with his arm/hand. There is, however, a gray-masked ICE agent consistently reaching for what appears to be the protestor's sidearm. And at 0:17, the ICE agent that shoots first reached for his own sidearm, and the ICE agent next to him retrieves what appears to be the protestor's concealed firearm at the same time, and walks away from the pile with it BEFORE shots are even fired. The "threat" - the protestor's right to bear arms - was eliminated before a shot.
There is not a single indication that ICE agents were in danger from anyone besides each other. If he was shot dead for possession, there's your answer for 2A, right there. They're shooting people like dogs in broad daylight for recording police interactions (1A) and possessing a firearm (2A), the tree of liberty needs replenishment.
They're 100% going to investigate, and intimidate, the Red-coat lady in the background, and the dead guy on the ground so that they have political fodder / some kind of character-assassination excuse for why this was all justified.
And when you're unlawfully murdered, you have no recourse. They do not care what you tell them, and if you don't resist, you're potentially dead anyway. They have arrested lawful immigrants and citizens, and held them illegally, in some cases for weeks or months.
"Comply and you might get lucky and survive" is not a life safety strategy. I'm unsure where this idea to not resist someone who is very likely to kill you without cause (based on all of the evidence and observations to date) is coming from to be frank.
cops are most deceptive when they are smiling, even if it seems like an aside comment, when that big fake smile is there, they are trying to soft extract something from you [P.E.A.C.E.]
You seem to not believe they’re murdering people without justification, so there’s no common ground to be had. You will likely always believe their lethal force is justified, regardless of facts, so we are at an impasse.
> The two most recent events were both taped, both seemed to be justified in using force. If a tape comes out where someone is killed and they're not fighting ICE agents or hitting them with a car, then I'll agree that it wasn't justified.
Resisting an ICE agent is not a lawful use of lethal force. If you believe it is, you are mistaken and you are free to speak with a legal professional to update your mental model on the topic. Again, we are likely at an impasse based on your belief system (as your statements make it clear you are not speaking from a place of factual evidence based on recent incidents ie "fighting ICE agents or hitting them with a car").
The video in this example shows a citizen being held down and executed by ICE agents. The video also shows he was disarmed before the first shot was fired. Multiple angles are available for review. I am unwilling to argue facts.
Thank you for this. As far as I understand it, the victim was filming the ICE agent(s). I'm sure you'll agree that counts as resisting arrest and even putting the agent(s) lives at risk.
I do not believe this, and I don't think I said I did. Rather, I'm attempting to curiously understand OPs viewpoint, as I don't think it's intellectually honest. (For context, original OP said that the victim was 'resisting arrest')
