As an outsider I have a question - do you actually feel that protest after ICE killing an american citizen would be driven by somebody paying for it, instead of being a civic movement?
do you actually feel that protest after ICE killing an american citizen is driven by somebody paying foe it?
In my opinion there is almost always money involved. People need incentives to put their lives and their families lives at risk when they would otherwise not be involved living multiple states away and would otherwise not be impacted such as by ICE in this case. There will be exceptions but I suspect those are a minority that may involve mental health, loneliness, attention seeking, virtue-signalling, roped in by emotion triggering videos, etc... I suspect one motivation would be to radicalize people when their paid rioters are told to do things that could risk an agent using bad judgement and someone gets hurt.
We're talking about people who were cosplaying militias for years or decades before they got their "authorization" to pretend to be federal "law enforcement". Were they getting paid that whole time? I suppose it's not out of the question that foreign intelligence services have been funding these groups through one or two "benevolent" members, but overall they seem like quite the crowd of true believers.
Statistically, if you put enough stupid people into enough spaces with hateful rhetoric being taught consistently, make them immune to consequences, and reward them when they do things that push towards the civil war you want to have, then eventually either you will completely oppress your country or you will have a civil war.
Statistically, if you put enough stupid people into enough spaces with hateful rhetoric being taught consistently, make them immune to consequences, and reward them when they do things that push towards the civil war you want to have, then eventually either you will completely oppress your country or you will have a civil war.
I could not have said it better myself. I still think it would not become a national level civil war but Minnesota could get messy. Plenty of other states would never let things escalate to this level. All of this could have been avoided by having local law enforcement or worst case the national guard get things under control. Minnesota have conflicting incentives delegate counts driving their bad judgement in addition to their governor being in the hot seat at the moment requiring a distraction.
Or from a movie some of us have seen, someone will do something stupid [1].
I think you've misunderstood the situation (and the article). Having the national guard get things under control means pitting them against ICE and likely actually triggering a civil war.
The problem is not Minnesotans or paid protestors rioting, the problem is a hostile occupying force is actively targeting Minnesotans and Walz is trying to balance protecting his constituents with not escalating the situation.
I'm not sure what you mean by "Minnesota have conflicting incentives delegate counts driving their bad judgement" or why you think its bad judgement to protest the murder of a community member.
But I dont disagree that as tensions ratchet up eventually someone will do something stupid, and ICE will threaten enough people that it sets off a conflict between ICE and the local law enforcement/national guard.
Having the national guard get things under control means pitting them against ICE and likely actually triggering a civil war.
No, used correctly the police and national guard would round up the rioters. The governor is seeing it the other way around because he is in a lot of trouble with the federal government at the moment for unrelated issues. I never base things strictly on articles as the authors are often misinformed and wish to control narratives. The governor not only wants the riots he is actively promoting fights between his citizens and ICE.
Stop consuming whatever high-test nonsense you have been freebasing, go breathe some fresh air, and then read the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights.
