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Why? Why do we need more people for?

We have a society that lets people have all the children they want. But they don’t want more children.

I’d note fwiw replacement rate in the US is currently 2.08 children, and current fertility is around 1.6/couple.

On a comment about US policy - With immigration we have a growth in population, without it we will drop rapidly. I don’t think however people will be badgered into having kids by politicians, even with bribing. Most people I know that don’t have or have one kid, including myself, do so because they don’t want to have more kids. No amount of incentive changes that.



If you can financially sustant all children you want then you are exception.

Majority of people don't have this kind of option to begin with and the more children you have less financial resources you have.


My grandmothers family was eight kids in the Great Depression, homeless. In fact there is a strong inverse correlation between wealth and fertility.


> Why? Why do we need more people for?

You don't necessarily need “more people”, but you'd need population to be at least close to stable.


> Why?


If you have lots of aging population and not enough of workforce to run infrastructure you have a problem.

We can pretend that AI and robots will come soon enough, but that can as well not happen.


Seems like scaling back infrastructure is not insurmountable, particularly since we're not looking at an abrupt change.


The bigger challenge will be food production. Even with fewer people, less Americans are willing to work in the fields 10 hours a day under a hot sun. With the immigration crackdown and low birth rates and aging population, who will pick the strawberries? Compound this with food production is a major export, our internal consumption will require more and more of the produced food, lowering exports and GDP. This will make food scarce and expensive, further lowering fertility.

Low fertility and no immigration is a recipe for disaster.


We could survive without cheap strawberries if we had to, but we won't have to. Plenty of Americans used to do farm labor and other difficult work before mass migration pushed the wages for those jobs below sustainable levels for citizens. The idea that Americans have changed in some fundamental way that makes them "unwilling" to do hard work is just another lie from corporations bent on getting as much cheap foreign labor as possible.


A traditional bluegrass song goes,

“When I was a curly headed baby My daddy set me down on his knee Saying boy you go to school and you learn your letters Don’t become no dusty miner boy like me.”

These jobs aren’t undesirable because they pay too little, they’re undesirable because they’re more difficult and unpleasant than a service or office job. People have been encouraging their kids across cultures and time to strive for higher skilled labor / work not purely for economic reasons alone but because those jobs are better. It’s not a lie they’re unwilling to do it because everyone is unless they have other job options. Forcing people through economic and labor pressure back into their fields for migratory field labor is one of those things that probably sounds good for other people and not yourself, eh?


Probably just increase immigration.




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