Hacker Newsnew | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submitlogin

  a higher rate of success being associated with fewer years of education attained by mother and father combined.
Tell me more - is that statistically significant? Causes? Related to Reading age?

The bit that worries me is the percentage of children who locked in the fridge just waited and cried.



Pure speculation: could be that poor kids were more likely to have dealt with similar problems or even just to have dealt with similar levels of suffering, and therefore respond with a little more short-term resilience.

Not like anyone can do follow-ups on this research any more.


More idle speculation: self-reliance and/or initiative are inversely correlated with social class/socioeconomic status/whatever.


>>Not like anyone can do follow-ups on this research any more.

A modest proposal:

Places like Syria seems to not only torture dissidents but also their children -- and the regime need cash because of all the sanctions.

The Syrian Bath party was even inspired by the nazis, so there is precedent for getting experimental data.

(Sorry about this, sometimes my humor disgusts me too.)


If they cry loud enough, it may not be the worst strategy.


Aren't fridges pretty airtight though? Isn't that the whole point here? If so, then crying loud and long is at best a hell of a bet.

I'd be willing to bet that fridges are pretty good sound insulators. The inside is sort of suspended IIRC.


Crying loud is a pretty good mammal trick for most situations other than an imminent predator-grabbing - being trapped in an airtight refrigerator is definitely an evolutionary edge case.


Agreed. Although one option would be to require all two year old children to escape a refrigerator or die trying, in order to evolve out of this problem.


Put a microphone inside and outside the fridge. If the noise coming from inside the fridge is louder than the noise from outside the fridge, pop the hatch automatically.

Not a viable solution for 1958x but today we are talking about a few dollars in electronics and an electromagnet.


Not a viable solution today: the problem is not fridges in active use in houses, it's fridges in people's backyards/dumps/barns/whatever where they are no longer plugged into anything.

More information on the problem:

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2586/is-it-impossib...


A battery could presumably power it long after being unplugged. But you're right - That article basically states that the problem was solved in 1958, by replacing the mechanical latch with a magnetic door. Coincidentally this research was from 1958, so I assume there is a connection there. Thanks for posting that - It puts thing into perspective.


You could probably use a single mic and a volume threshold, rather than a volume comparison with the outside, unless enough sound from the outside of the fridge gets to the internal microphone to set it off (e.g. during an earthquake or extremely loud party).


I know the upvote is for this, but can I just say that that's a brilliant idea!


Airtight does not imply soundproof. Well-insulated is better correlated, and fridges do tend to be that as well.


I was thinking more along the lines of screaming being a great way to use up all your oxygen. That too is an assumption though...


Not soundproof, but certainly sound-dampening. Quality speakers have an airhole to allow movement of air in and out of the box, for example.


Though this is straying a bit from the topic at hand, I must point out that quality speakers employ a range of designs, from simple sealed designs, to the ported designs you mention, on up to folded or full-scale (built with cinder block walls[0]) subwoofer horns.

The purpose of the port in ported designs is not just to allow movement of air, but to control the resonant frequency and Q-factor of the speaker. The individual dimensions, size, shape, and materials of quality speaker enclosures are all tuned to control resonance.

To sum up, there's a lot more to it than "an airhole to allow movement of air."

[0] I can't find the actual system I recall, but here is an older system with a similar design: http://www.burwenaudio.com/images/20000_WATT_HOME_HI-FI_0476...


The generalization of statistics is relatively recent development in science. AFAIK, it happened during the 50's and 60's, probably at a different pace in different disciplines.


Yeah, that was the big thing that made me wonder WTF. Really wish there was more data on that part of it.

Wonder if any of the original experiment data or executors are still around.. :)




Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: