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the people who most strongly value $9 over a drive into lower Manhattan, to be more accurate


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Apples and footballs; in NYC, I suspect the poor don't drive in the first place.


This comment is a good example of the type of narrow minded progressive thinking that has held back good public policy like congestion pricing and carbon taxes. Both of these programs are criticized as being regressive. The criticism neglects to take into consideration the society wide benefits like more efficient bus travel or cleaner air that preferentially help the less well off.


I agree with your rebuttal in response to that other person's comment, but ultimately I do think those programs are regressive for the poor, at this very point in time.

I guess the question becomes, should those poorest suffer for the betterment of all future generations? I would personally say no.


Life is regressive. Charity is a good thing, but not every single conceivable public policy has to include a charity component. Charging citizens a reasonable price for the cost of services rendered is a perfectly fair thing to do. The fact that life itself isn't fair doesn't change that. I'd prefer we try to address that later problem separately through a centralized welfare program rather than by hamstringing good public policy.


Give the poorest a discount for parking outside the congestion pricing area, and a discount for mass transit (if they haven't already applied for it).

The point of congestion pricing is to make the correct behavior also a better financial choice. Discounted transit ticket achieve the same goal.


Thank you for letting me clarify my point with two examples of how these seemingly regressive policies ultimately help the poorer among us: 1. carbon taxes will improve poor air quality which currently impacts the poor more than the wealthy who can afford to live in cleaner areas. The poor will enjoy significant health benefits that far outweighs the small regressive tax they pay know. 2. A Congestion pricing stands to dramatically improve mass transit options like buses, which the working class rely on far more than the wealthy to get to work on time and will even expand the job options they have available to them.


The poor will benefit from less lung cancer inducing smoke.


Why not lottery my dude (based on dob, license plate, whatever) ? Didn’t I equally pay for the infrastructure?

I would argue that I paid even more than the millionaires, because I cannnot cheat on my taxes.


You paid far less. The top half of American pay almost 98% of federal taxes. The top 10% pay nearly three quarters. The American tax system is very progressive.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tax-irs-income-taxes-who-pays-t...


You have it wrong. You are grouping in that top 10% the millionaires/billionaires who pay nothing with the 6-figure W2 workhorses who cannot hide anything.


Stop equivocating. You said that ‘you’ (as in the lower income half) paid more. This is demonstrably false. The top half of Americans pay 97.7% of taxes.

It may be you paid a higher percentage of your income despite the progressive nature of the American tax code which has a higher rate the more you make, via some tax breaks some wealthy people take advantage etc... It can also be that you paid a smaller percentage through an EITC. I don’t know without know your situation. It is definitely false that Americans making between $200-400K paid a smaller rate than you did.

Your broad statement the poor are paying the bulk of support for public infrastructure is clearly wrong. Revise your priors.


It is definitely true the millionaires paid less than me. 0 < any positive number.

People who make 200k in W2 wages per year are not millionaires.


Oh god. Didn't they try to do something like this in Mexico City and it resulted in no change? Clever policy is always rife with unintended consequences; prices are good.


This is how China and most Europe does it for their big cities. Identical effectiveness minus the regressivity for the poor.

If the city wants to buy more buses they can always send higher tax bills to their residents


Not true. The rich just get extra car with different plates.


Did they arrive in town sequentially as well?




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