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>>I don't understand what's the message here

You really don't? 8 years ago Tesla did a (fake) video of their car "self driving" on real streets. 8 years of promises and in effort to convice their investors that they are actually making progress towards that goal is.....a movie set with fake streets to drive on? While Waymo is delivering real self driving taxi rides in the real world? What isn't clear about this message to you, exactly?



This, and that when you get involved in politics, a big percentage of people is going to scrutinize you more thoroughly. Before, it was fun to believe everything he said, but now it is less so.


I agree with the tesla stuff but last I checked waymo had self driving only for pre-mapped roads and a lot of human assistance in the background. There was a lot of fuss about it when veritasium released a sponsored video about them.


> a movie set with fake streets to drive on? While Waymo is delivering real self driving taxi rides

"Tesla FSD Supervised Tops 1.6 Billion Total Miles Driven": https://teslanorth.com/2024/08/07/tesla-fsd-supervised-1-6-b...

Seems obvious that movie sets are like red carpets, no?


Do you see the word "Supervised" there?


Do you think the data from the one doesn't apply toward the other? Is politics really enough to get people to stop believing in incremental problem solving? Can we communicate entirely in question form?


If the data from supervised driving can he used for unsupervised driving, that increases the depth of Tesla's failure to keep up with competitors like Waymo, who are doing a better job with less data.

I don't really know what you're trying to say with the politics distraction, so I guess the answer to your last question is "apparently you can't."


> If the data from supervised driving can he used for unsupervised driving

So you're unaware of the AI day presentations about their driving training pipeline. Learning about their engineering in that regard really changed my perception of the likelihood that they could solve the problem. Give it a watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODSJsviD_SU

> failure to keep up with competitors like Waymo

Looks like each of them lead in different ways to me. Waymo leads within certain specific city limits, Tesla leads on the open road. These seem to be direct consequences of their engineering decisions. Question is which will converge on working everywhere all the time.


So, what's your message exactly?


Which part of it is unclear, maybe I can help.




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