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Yeah, i don't want to invest in anything google, i'm scared it will be uselss in 6mo.

That's a big problem, a "support guarantee" could really help things.

Google is now a AD platform with a search engine to sell stuff.

I hoped a little bit in Fuchsia, it was the last one for me.



>Google is now a AD platform with a search engine to sell stuff.

NOW?! They were that for the past 20 years mate.


Their search isn't even so great any more. They tend to forcefully switch the user input to some generic terms. More than often duckduckgo produces better results for me. I started feeling comfortable using duckduckgo instead of google.


I’m not sure you understand how ingrained and far reaching Google ad manager is.

Their search could die and they’d still be the biggest advertising player on the internet by leaps and bounds.


Facebook would be bigger.


Not. Even. Close.


You are just ignorant, Google search is 57% of their total revenue, remaining advertisement is just 19%, people really overestimate how much Google ad network is worth when its just 9.2% of their revenue and YouTube is just 10%. In fact if you remove search Google makes more money from selling subscriptions and services than they do from ads, so they would no longer be an ad company!

https://www.voronoiapp.com/business/Breaking-down-Googles-Q1...

Facebook makes much more money than 19% of Google.

Edit: And I wonder why I got downvoted for being right, many here just blindly believe that Google gets their money from ads on third party sites when most of it comes from search.

But I guess your second post is right, it isn't close, Facebook would be much bigger.


Exactly how does Google makes money through search if not...advertising?


Dartos said they were bigger without search:

> Their search could die and they’d still be the biggest advertising player


I said they’d still be the biggest player in the advertising space.

Nothing about their worth or whatever.

Google ad manager is the cornerstone of pretty much all internet advertising.

Even if you don’t buy ads from Google directly, somewhere in your ad pipeline is google ad manager.


> Google ad manager is the cornerstone of pretty much all internet advertising.

That money is a part of Googles revenue, so there isn't as much there as you might think. Maybe you mean there is quantity there but advertisers doesn't pay as much for it as they would for Facebook or Google search ads, then yeah that is possible, but normally in a market segment you count big players by revenue and not numbers sold.


You’re just not really understanding what I’m saying.


Yeah but the search engine provided a service good enough that you could overlook that

I noticed today that they get rid of filters in the "products/shopping" tab

FFS


Fuchsia is part of the problem not the solution. It was the retirement home to keep a bunch of smart people busy who didn't have any rush to ship anything real for as long as possible. Architecture astronaut porn to the max.

On the other hand there's zero desire at Google to try and build the best phone. They have conceded that to Apple a long time ago.

No desire to be number one in Cloud. They are fighting for number 3 spot.

They are the Xerox of AI with a full stack solution. If they had the drive they would be HYPING THE SHIT out of TPU and making it the best solution to run all the real workloads people have.

Guess what. On average a Googler even still today with low bar to entry is probably 10 IQ points higher than average Amazon or Microsoft or Apple. But no; no drive.


I hadn't heard the term "architecture astronaut porn" before. Seems highly accurate in this context and wondered if you could point me to other resources on this term?


"Architecture Astronaut" is an old term IIRC coined by Joel Spolsky

https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2001/04/21/dont-let-architect...

porn is added by yours truly.


Firebase (especially Cloud Messaging) is in use by a lot of companies. Killing that off will have a huge blast radius.


Firebase is going away?


Fuchsia isn't dead. Yet.


Fuchsia is a talent retention project. Basically daycare for kernel engineers, to prevent them from leaving Google.


But what do Google shareholders get out of this?


They get to keep those engineers out of the hands of competitors.


It is dead




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