> You can't expect 100% of students to have a good time, and it's not obvious what an "ethical" success bar should be

No, but you can expect none of them to have been lied to.

> If Allred is an unscrupulous scammer, he forgot to do the greedy part. The guy is worth less than a lot (maybe most) FAANG SWEs

The defense is he's a fraudster, but incompetent?

> No, but you can expect none of them to have been lied to.

The CFPB report really doesn't make this obvious. All I've seen in this thread and in the CFPB statement are claims with nothing to back them up. The worst I've seen is "100% cohort", which doesn't seem to condemn the whole program.

> The defense is he's a fraudster, but incompetent?

The defense is I'm having a difficult time finding actual evidence of fraud.

> You can't expect 100% of students to have a good time,

No one in this thread has suggested this.

The guy I responded to said 10% having a bad time was an ethical disaster, so what's the bar? 1%? 9%?

Nope, that's not what they said.

If 90% of students aren't _scammed_, but 10% are _scammed_, there is an ethical disaster. But at this point it's clear you either have some actual financial incentive/relationship with Lambda School, or you just don't want to be wrong. Either way, I don't think engaging any further will be fruitful.

> The guy is worth less than a lot (maybe most) FAANG SWEs.

This is quite a definitive claim by you. Do you happen to have the data for what FAANG SWE's are worth so we can compare?

It's not exactly news that FAANG salaries have been extremely high for the last 20 years.

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