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> Not really. It's the viewpoint of most cultures throughout history.

Most cultures do not value individualism. It's not even universal to Americans, historically.

> Individualism allows for innovation and creativity.

So what? It doesn't allow for an orderly society that's pleasant to live in.

> This is a shame. Were you raised in Japan?

No, just a tourist who has eyes and can see what shit holes American cities are in comparison. I was raised in Virginia. At least there, at that time, Christianity still functioned as a check on American individualism. Unfortunately that has collapsed.



Most cultures absolutely do. Japanese culture is teh exception not the rule.

> So what? It doesn't allow for an orderly society that's pleasant to live in.

Of course it does. Those two things are not mutually exclusive at all. Unless you take one of them way too far like the Japanese do, with no discernible benefit.

> No, just a tourist who has eyes and can see what shit holes American cities are in comparison.

That's not because of individualism, that's because of corruption, lack of regulation and enforcement, wealth disparity etc. Other western countries with the same focus on individualism have very nice and clean cities.

> Christianity still functioned as a check on American individualism. Unfortunately that has collapsed.

The sooner any and all religions become forgotten, the better we will all be for it.


> Most cultures absolutely do. Japanese culture is teh exception not the rule.

By what measure? Most of the world is African and Asian, and those cultures are not individualistic.

> Of course it does. Those two things are not mutually exclusive at all. Unless you take one of them way too far like the Japanese do, with no discernible benefit.

The Japanese system produces tremendous benefits: an orderly society where everyone behaves according to rules.

> That's not because of individualism, that's because of corruption, lack of regulation and enforcement, wealth disparity etc.

Japan has corruption, wealth disparity, etc., as well. That isn't the thing that makes it different. Every society has those forces. Individualism just makes it harder to build a nice society in spite of them.

> Other western countries with the same focus on individualism have very nice and clean cities.

Most western countries aren't as individualistic as America. They're different than Asia, which is based on strong family networks, but it's not the worship of self that prevails in America: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante.

> The sooner any and all religions become forgotten, the better we will all be for it.

I wouldn't hold my breath, given that the world is becoming more religious: https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/aug/27/religion-why-is.... Christianity was the glue holding American society together, and now that's breaking down we are seeing the consequences.


> By what measure? Most of the world is African and Asian, and those cultures are not individualistic.

They're certainly not at all anti-individualistic in the way Japan is.

> The Japanese system produces tremendous benefits: an orderly society where everyone behaves according to rules.

That's not something unique to Japan and the cost is too high. Japan also has numerous problems as a society.

> Individualism just makes it harder to build a nice society in spite of them.

That's honestly complete nonsense, as evidenced by every other nice society that isn't antagonistic towards individualism.

> Most western countries aren't as individualistic as America.

They're a hell of a lot closer to the US than Japan.

> given that the world is becoming more religious

It's really not. More and more people are questioning the faith they are born into and atheism is on the rise.

> Christianity was the glue holding American society together, and now that's breaking down we are seeing the consequences.

It's a fairy tale without evidence behind it, it would never survive long in an information age.




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