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> Trucks also do not pay property tax on the highways.

Why would they pay property tax on a highway they don’t own?

What they do pay is a per mile tax that is collected at the pump and divided up to the states through IFTA. Every single mile a truck travels is taxed by some state even if it’s just using it for personal use like shopping at Walmart.



Yes, they do pay a use tax. As noted elsewhere in this thread, the tax is far too low to account for the damage caused by the weight of the truck.


People make the assumption that the roads aren’t designed with truck travel in mind methinks.

The other option, making trucks pay their “fair share”, would just get passed along to consumers as higher prices and nothing would change. Like when fuel prices go up, truck drivers don’t eat those costs but they get a higher fuel surcharge which just gets accounted for when they’re pricing the goods on the grocery store shelves.

I also don’t think you fully understand how massively huge the transportation system is in the US. Assuming they could switch over to trains and assuming you live in the Bay Area they’d just have the trains deliver to Tracy or Stockton (where all the big warehouses currently are) and still have trucks deliver to the store down the street. Same amount of trucks you currently see with the only difference being the long haul truckers now doing local work.

Keeping with the Bay Area example, the last three times I delivered there two loads were going overseas out of Oakland and the third was a super small warehouse in San Leandro which didn’t even have a dock and I had to back a half mile down this tiny street — twice because there wasn’t anywhere to turn around and I was originally facing the wrong direction. I deliver to California all the time and all the warehouses are outside of the big cities. Well, except in LA but they’re just generally wrong about most things.


> People make the assumption that the roads aren’t designed with truck travel in mind methinks.

Fatigue damage is the biggest problem. A heavy truck pushes down on the asphalt/concrete, flexing it. Eventually, it cracks and crumbles away. As mentioned elsewhere, fatigue damage goes up as the 4th power of the load.

Railroad tracks are made of steel, and steel flexes nicely without crumbling away. If you stand next to the tracks, you can feel the earth go down as the wheels pass. Steel rails with the load spread out with ties are an effective solution.


The main issue, I think, is the entire economy would have to be changed on a massive, global scale.

I had this job 20 ago delivering for one of the major grocery chains. Southern Nevada, New Mexico and Arizona were all covered out of a single warehouse in Phoenix. That place is a shitshow and that’s with them having a couple hundred docks to unload trucks, lucky to get out of there in seven hours. If they were unloading train cars I couldn’t even imagine how bad it would be. Or the local drivers wasting a whole shift after getting a container out of the train yard.


It isn't necessary to revamp the entire economy. Things can be done one line at a time. All that's necessary is realigning cost and tax incentives so the costs reflect the actual cost (including externalities like pollution) rather than the grossly distorted subsidy system we currently have. The rest will take care of itself.


Unloading trains is actually very efficient. If you have a train yard with many trains lined up next to each other and with box cars aligned, you can easily carry goods from train to train, through the box cars. This is far more space efficient than the huge parking lot which is needed to accommodate the wide turns that trucks have to make in order back up to a delivery zone.

I also don't see why it would be necessary to revamp the global economy to start using trains more.


Taxation of electric trucks is something that hasn’t been resolved quite yet.




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