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Downvoting rather than contesting is sad to me.


There's nothing to contest, just people Don't like the truth here. If you say something against the US you get down voted.

Your comment is too sided, US to good to have secret services that influence elections elsewhere (after all, it never happened :) )


No one said the US has never interfered in an election.

But in this case, the commenter suggests that the US was already attempting to overthrow the Ukrainian government?? That’s complete conspiracy and certainly deserves a downvote. Not only is there no evidence to support the claim, it doesn’t even fit anyone’s narratives (except perhaps Russia’s) about US/Ukrainian relationships. It just doesn’t make any sense in relation to US politics, especially considering the current leadership was elected in a landslide and is already relatively pro-EU/pro-NATO.

Compare to, say, Iraq, and you can see how that would fit into US politics much better.

Is it outside of the realm of possibilities? Of course not, but at least provide some kind of theory or narrative and phrase it as conjecture instead of just tossing it out as a conspiracy.


I'm just saying that Russian can't afford to have NATO at 2000km from Mosca. If Ukraine joins NATO Ukraine becomes US territory, that's not conspiracy, that's reality.


You are wildly uninformed about the local geography.

And no, NATO members - which Ukraine is not - are not US territory. That's reality.


I'm Italian, Italy is a NATO country, we have US military bases, so I wrote that from a military point of view. Of course Italy is not US territory, but if NATO says to intervene Italian forces must intervene. That's what I mean.

I mean, I understand it's a hot topic, but interpreting every sentence literally just to say "you're wrong" isn't very fair.


It is when you're wrong.


Nice argument


No, seriously: you are wrong, and that's fine, but you already start out with 'To me' which makes what you wrote your opinion. And you're entirely entitled to your wrong opinion.


No, seriously: nice argument


conspiracy? the US _already_ had a hand in overthrowing the Ukrainian government in 2014.


My comment is not sided, the Secret Services part is prepended by "will", so it's not something that already happened, it's something that may happen if Ukraine joins NATO.




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