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The hubris is to expect that someone at home can manufacture something worthy of being called a vaccine if they're just smart enough to follow the science.

Theoretically this might be true, but in practice it seems obvious that this will fail. I can think of so many ways in which this could be subtly invalid and I am in no way an expert. I would expect someone with commercial lab experience or vaccine production experience to be able to point out a hundred ways in which this won't work.

Maybe the more obvious problem though is that we can't know if it works either. Without a valid scientific study on the effectiveness it's all just a guess. To call it a vaccine is hubris because it is precisely this study that deems a concoction of ingredients to actually be a vaccine. I'd expect Less Wrong to be the first place to point out all the flaws in the idea of just getting an antibody test to decide if it's working.



He says he has lab experience. He followed the protocol set out in the paper. Sure he might have made a mistake - but it’s not magic.

If you think there’s something off about his protocol, then say what it is. But your criticism is just “this guy is reaching above his station”.

Sasha Shulgin synthesised plenty of compounds at home and tested them on himself. Did none of them work because he wasn’t working in a commercial lab?


> The hubris is to expect that someone at home can manufacture something worthy of being called a vaccine if they're just smart enough to follow the science.

Are you defining "vaccine" in a manner that makes those 19th century things called "vaccines" not actually vaccines?

Vaccines aren't magic that can only be done by a suitably blessed priest and aren't necesarily even very high tech...


I must admit I only skimmed the white paper, and saved it to read in more detail later. Maybe I missed some part that set you off?

https://radvac.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/White-Paper-SA... (be aware: there's 3 pages of warnings and disclaimers upfront. They are very clear that this constitutes self-experimentation.)

The paper does appear to assume that the reader is indeed an expert or at least a somewhat experienced amateur. If you sign up on their researchers map, they do ask whether you have a science degree and/or lab experience:

https://radvac.org/researchers-map/

I must admit I'm stymied by your implication that an antibody test wouldn't constitute evidence that the vaccine had been effective in that instance (n=1). What makes you say that?




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