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Sorry, but you're not going to paint Eich as a victim over what is a totally self inflicted wound.

And there is no argument from utility to be made here either along the lines of 'oh Eich may be a bigot, but look at that nice browser he gave us'. He has to work with the people around him and that scenario would have likely not panned out.

Instead, a large chunk of Mozilla/FireFox' employees may have walked if he had tried to hang on, or maybe he could have come around on the subject in a halfway believable way.

But he chose to walk instead, his loss, and ultimately, possibly our loss too.



> He has to work with the people around him and that scenario would have likely not panned out.

Or it would, since he worked with the same people before the wokefest with absolutely zero complaints from anybody. If people didn't decide having ideological purity and expelling wrongthink is more important than having a good independent browser. Well, they have their purity now. Hope they are happy. Their usage may be in the drain and their perspectives bleak, but at least nobody dares to form an unapproved opinion!

> Instead, a large chunk of Mozilla/FireFox' employees may have walked if he had tried to hang on

Or, somebody adult would explain to them it's actually ok to disagree on some subject, and that't the thing adults do sometimes. Unfortunately, looks like there's no adults in the industry anymore. Or at least not at those quarters.


>Eich may be a bigot

Eich was perfectly capable of working with others. He had a demonstrated track record of doing so since he co-founded Mozilla.

>a large chunk of Mozilla/FireFox' employees may have walked if he had tried to hang on

A group of people intolerant of a political difference would have left rather than continue working with him. That's the definition of bigot.

Bigot: One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

https://www.wordnik.com/words/bigot


Out of curiosity, do you know of any companies in your field where the CEO believes you personally don't deserve rights? Would you work for that company? Why or why not? If there is no such company, why do you feel qualified to level this opinion here?


All of the poly people I know work for companies that don't support their right to marry.

I think it's worth pointing out that the ballot prop that Eich supported actually won. It wasn't a niche belief, certainly not at the time. I don't think Eich was the only CEO in America that didn't support gay marriage. What set him apart was that he didn't do a better job hiding his beliefs.


I have no idea what's most CEO's opinions are on political subjects, and prefer to keep it that way. I would certainly work with CEO that has different opinions than I do - in fact, for all I know, I may already be.


My CEO believes only the people who have a baby should receive a bonus (a stimulus of a kind) for having a baby. Those who don't have a baby a specific year have no rights to that kind of a bonus. No group of childless people formed with the intention to cancel him.


It's obscene to paint Eich as the perpetrator of a self inflicted wound for not "coming around on the subject in a halfway believable way", for not trying to appease the mob. "Stop hitting yourself."


> for not trying to appease the mob.

No, I meant as in genuinely doing that. People are typically capable of learning. I'm pretty sure Eich is smart enough to do so.


My understanding is that Mozilla employees protesting his politics were not actually planning to walk and were disappointed and a little embarrassed that he left. They just wanted some sort of apology.


How did you arrive at that understanding? The Mozilla employees I've heard from said the opposite.


Mostly based on comments from Rarebit, as well as a few others.


Rarebit was 2 people who didn't work for Mozilla.


They worked with Mozilla and were prominent critics during that time. At any rate, now you know why I know how developers felt.


It looks like the closest they came to working with Mozilla was porting a simple game to Firefox OS. Getting attention at the time doesn't mean they spoke for anyone else. It sounds like you don't know how Mozilla employees felt.


Perhaps so. Thanks for guiding me through this!




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