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What is the impact of having your DNA known? As far as I can tell the worst case scenarios are finding out you have to pay child support or getting placed at the scene of a crime.

If those risks don't apply to you, who cares?



> If those risks don't apply to you, who cares?

Others have mentioned that that's a bad argument, so I won't rehash that.

> getting placed at the scene of a crime

That's a pretty damn bad "worst case scenario", but here's a few I'm going to toss out without too much thought:

1. Health insurance companies can deny you coverage. In America, that can be a literal death sentence. (Yes, GINA 2008 was passed, no, I don't want to bet my future health care coverage on it not being repealed, mangled, or bypassed in some other way.)

2. International risks. A lot of discussion here is largely focused on American law. But many of us aren't American, or aren't just American. Look at my username; I have ties to another country, and I frankly have no idea what sort of risk I might get exposed to there. Getting placed at the scene of a crime in some jurisdictions is much more serious than you make it out to be; being identified as being a relative of someone else could also have dire consequences.

3. You know those scams where Grandpa Joe gets a frantic call from his distraught granddaughter Jane, and she's in Mexico being held up on a bogus charge, but if he wires their police department $500 ($5000?) the whole thing goes away? This becomes much easier if you can look up family histories.

4. You cannot predict the future. You have no idea what's coming down the pipeline.


I'm not seeing anything compelling in any of your 5 points.

0. You are arguing that people who aren't subject to a specific risk should be worrying about being subject to that risk. That is a bad argument. So bad it feels absurd to have to type it out to you.

1. The law could change in the future? OK... Laws could change in an infinite number of ways. I can't mitigate an infinite number of risks.

2. If you visit a country where this is a risk to you, then avoid the risk. Nobody said otherwise. It is dishonest to argue with strawmen.

3. There are many easy ways to find someone's relatives. DNA does not change this situation in a material way.

4. Yes, I agree that you cannot predict the future. But much of your argument is based on the assumption that you can do so.


Getting placed at the scene of a crime applies to everyone.

Remember that once you do it, it’s out there forever. So you can’t just rely on “I haven’t and won’t break any laws that exist in my country right now”.

Having certain characteristics that show up in your test could be illegal in 20 years time. You don’t know.


That's an interesting point, but if your government becomes blatantly oppressive they don't need DNA to do it.


The resistance movement in Norway, during WWii, targeted and blew up the citizen registry, because it was used for evil. Any database we build now could be used like that. Now they are easily copied, so we won't be able to blow them up when it's already too late--we must avoid building them.


Do you think it was a mistake for countries to continue compiling databases of citizens after WWII? Census? Phone books? These are all mistakes?


No but the DNA database helps them track you down.


Sure. They might outlaw brown hair, too. They might outlaw last names with vowels. That hypothetical, imaginary risk doesn't make it sensible to dye your hair and change your name.


Tell the 6 million Jews, hundreds of thousands to million+ Romanis, and hundreds of thousands of disabled who were systematically exterminated by gassing, shootings, starvation and various other means that being outlawed is a "hypothetical risk". Even beyond WW2 to say what you said is so incredibly against any form of historical understanding that one must start to wonder what your motive with it is.


Your motive appears to be to troll from a position of ignorance. No, DNA tests do not cause holocausts.


More to the point, the government can just collect your DNA itself if it wants to.


If you’ve got nothing to hide... then make it all public. Let’s start with your finances.


That argument is so bad and is so inefficient that it does more harm than good. People sacrifice their privacy as a trade-off to get something. What do they get by simply releasing all their finances?

Every time I've used it they just laugh it off with "why would I do that?" and think I'm ridiculous.


I openly talk about my finances with anyone who wants to talk personal finance. What threat are you imagining this could pose?


let's start with your bank account and routing numbers.


I share that information when it benefits me. That's the basis of ACH. Next?


Specific pornographic preferences and fetishes? Nothing illegal there, no reason to hide.


What is the advantage of sharing that information?


Finances are different right? People tend to hide their finances because of taxes and other illegal shit, and also to prevent jealousy.

As for genetics, most of your genetics are on display every time you walk out the door. People look at you and they can have a good guess about a huge portion of your genes. For example if you have a beard and a penis you probably have a Y chromosome, though this is more challenging to figure out nowadays.

Thus mostly their's really nothing left to hide in terms of genetics. In terms of finances... while I specifically have nothing to hide, more people have things to hide in this area.


This is a variant of “the honest have nothing to hide” argument, which is just wrong.


No, it is not. That argument is about what should be legal. We are discussing what is personally risky. These are completely different concepts.


I was just wondering if this one leak would spur a hike in organ thefts. Or a spike in abusive husbands and fathers, pedophiles and rapists tracking down the victims that escaped them.

Even if this doesn't happen, the future is a devious thing; I think we will eventually get to a stage of gene oppression; We have went through periods of oppressing and persecuting religion and ethnicity. DNA seems even more vulnerable to this kind of prejudice. And even if we can secure some legal protection, to the million peoples families, that won't matter now.

I don't know what will happen in the future, but i can imagine how much smoother the holocaust would have went if DNA were public.


Organ theft and the holocaust? If that's what you're worried about your problems are already much much much more severe than what we're discussing here.


What problems would you rate as more severe than being gassed alive or having your organs stolen?


we should always try to minimize future catastrophes by enshrining rights and regulation around issues that could contribute to them.

We should not be tricked into ignoring these issues because catastrophes are rare, as this would logically make them less rare.


What are the benefits of you knowing? Seems like the only reason is mild curiosity.


The benefits of personal DNA tests are learning about your health and your genealogy.




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