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[flagged] Joe Rogan interviews relaxed, joint-smoking Elon Musk [video] (youtube.com)
61 points by joering2 on Sept 7, 2018 | hide | past | favorite | 39 comments


People seem to focus on the joint, but I am more worried that he can't piece a few coherent sentences together.


There's nothing going wrong with Elon or his companies that can't be fixed - but for the good of mankind we need to hunt him down, kidnap him, and make him get a good night's rest for about two weeks with zero contact on electronic devices or people.

I felt similarly wired to what I see in the video once, I took a 10 day meditation retreat and whether or not it works doing nothing for over a week was exactly what I needed.

The problem is that it is easy to justify not doing this - an endless series of excuses are available.

Afterwards you'll feel the sharpest and most focused you've ever been and the effect lasts for weeks.


Maybe what's for the good of mankind is to stop funneling public money to somebody so unstable and unable to deliver on his promises.


This is a complete lie.

Tesla payed back the loans to the government.

SpaceX is excellently executing on the ISS Cargo contracts and are the furthest ahead in terms of human spaceflight as well.

SpaceX has performed many flights for government and is universally agree on that they have saved the government an absolute shitton of money.



You mean this privately financed project?


do you really think the world would be a better place without the guy who's been pushing for cars to go electric, and drastically lowering the cost and practicality of space launches? There's plenty of people who I wish didn't have the impact they do, but Elon Musk isn't one of them. Sure, he makes mistakes, but in contrast to what he's been able to achieve those mistakes seem very permissible.


Ask all the injured factory workers what they think, maybe?


There are injured factory workers from every factory on the planet. We should be better, but it's unlikely to ever be 0 anywhere. Either way, we cannot just stop the world every time somebody somewhere gets hurt.


The rates were worse at Tesla in part because of frivolities like "Elon doesn't like yellow safety markers aesthetically."


There have been no corroborating reports of this other than that single article, and there are miles of yellow all over the factory which now has a better safety record than when it was under previous ownership.


Of course the injuries suffered by the tesla workers are tragic and I'd much prefer if tesla would work at a safer, saner pace so as not to endanger their people. But I'm still glad that someone is out there trying to put a dent in climate change, and get our space trajectory back on track.


He has always been a bad speaker.


He's always had sort've a goofy/semi-awkward style of talking. He has immense pressure to say the right things, and he also has a huge amount of things in his head (genius), so probably takes a bit to formulate an accurate thing to say.


I am going to get down voted for this but the truth is that he is definitely not a genius and not a savant either. He thinks he is and keeps saying it but instead he is someone who can convince the average person that he is a genius. It is cringe worthy listening to him if you have any knowlege in any of the fields he is involved in.

There are actual geniuses and brilliant people working at space X and Tesla. For example the COO of space X who is the one that made the NASA deal yet I doubt anyone here knows her name.


This is so hilarious to me. I don't think there is an instance of him saying he's a genius. Regardless, you're inferring a person whose ran/started several multi billion dollar companies, in a variety of fields, as well as teaching himself to design literal rockets, is just like a slightly above average guy.

There are many, many people with close relations to him who would call him a genius, but yes, I'm sure you know the 'truth'.

'I think Elon Musk is a genius and I don't use that word lightly. I think he's also one of the boldest men that ever came down the pike. Put me down as saying I've always been afraid of the guy whose IQ is 190 and he thinks it's 250. I like to think there’s a little of that risk with Elon. He is a certified genius.' - Charlie Munger.


If Munger snark is your argument, can I rebut by asking how much TSLA has Berkshire Hathaway acquired?


Lol, my the munger quote was just an example of people who are more accredited than a random hackernews poster thinking that Elon is a genius.

But sure, Berkshire Hathaway owns 0 Tesla stock [0].

Not all opinions have secret motives haha.

[0] https://www.cnbc.com/berkshire-hathaway-portfolio/


I think "genius" is one of those things people say about people just to be nice. That certainly seems to be the case here, if you get the whole context of what Munger thinks about Tesla. Compare what he has to say about Tesla and Musk with what he has to say about BYD.


Genius and good CEO are very different things. Also I dont think he is a genius at all.


> Put me down as saying I've always been afraid of the guy whose IQ is 190 and he thinks it's 250.

Huh? Haven't there been like 7 people ever with an IQ of 190?


It's a metaphor homie, he's just saying he thinks he's really smart but even still theres a risk he overestimates himself.


Genius is such a loaded term.

I think Elon's a smart guy. He has a big part in designing some of the rockets. However, I think his actual brilliance is in marketing. He (clearly) knows how to generate hype/buzz for all of his companies.

But yeah, I find it hilarious that people think he's the only reason why SpaceX and Tesla succeed. Tesla's taking a nosedive and SpaceX isn't largely because of Gwynne Shotwell.


It’s not the CEOs job the be he genius. They should have a high level grasp on subjects and be able to relay the information back to the public/shareholders/the board etc.

The COO is the person behind the curtain and the CEO is the showman or visionary.


His brain has always been faster than his mouth.


And when he does he sounds grandiose like a teenage edgelord. https://youtu.be/ycPr5-27vSI?t=1236


As the interview went on he got a lot more relaxed. This is probably the worst example from the interview and happened 20 mins in.


Sure but you would have to agree that he sounds very odd at that timecode. Especially when you consider that he is no expert in the field and that the field itself is still extremely immature.


I, and many other nerds sound like that to other people when we talk of X or Y - having ideas and the ability to communicate them effectively is hard - especially when it is not just an idea - but a shift in perspective.

I feel strongly about this because I was trying to explain a possible implication of optogenetics to somebody this morning and suspect I came off sounding like a crazy person :)

What Musk is doing is making the familiar alien, trying to see from an external perspective holistically - which makes for results which are closer to something out of Ghost in the Shell than the everyday banality - and yet the banal world - when all the pieces fit together from a higher perspective really does possess an extraordinary big picture. Like the termites in the hill or Charles Darwin's understanding of how something normal (sex, reproduction rates and selection) really leads to something extraordinary.

Anybody looking through the macroscope will sound maladjusted until their beliefs ignored or become widely accepted. Think of that doctor who tried to get his coworkers to wash their hands. We have a hard time distinguishing between those and Coco the Clown. Our prior is 'if you don't sound like my internal monologue you must not be an ally and so be subject to suspicion'.

The other side to this - groups like Scientology take advantage of anybody who lowers their wards.


I have always assumed that if I explain something to someone and they dont get it then I need to do a better job at explaining it. Its like the difference between a magician and a scientist.

A Magician takes the trivial and shrouds it in confusion till one is astonished by the reveal. A scientist deconstructs the reveal into the simple and trivial.

I loath the magician.


Well, there is simple and correct and simple and wrong.

The Copernican description of reality is simple and correct and threw away complex but incomplete models.

I'm sure you've noticed that people frequently create complex models for something, but it is only later it gets reduced to something easier to understand.

Probably this is because the elegant model is difficult to reach on the first pass, so the more circuitousness paths are taken first - your thoughts?



Yes, it's interesting.

Not appreciating the mental scaffolding that takes you to the next point is a serious problem. Developmental economics and artificial intelligence - the scaffolding is neglected.

In developmental economics we only thought we knew how we got rich. Regressive planning (working backwards) failed because we are unaware of most of our past, even the recent past - we had a false consciousness about what actually took place. What we have is a bunch of just-so stories for grown ups and this is normal for humans in everything.

Neuroscientists say this is feature of how our memory works.

AI is similar because of Moravec's Paradox. People have been going around saying that more intelligent machines will come and replace physical labour for some time but the opposite is true. The paradoxical results of Moravec's Paradox occur because again we are unaware of the scaffolding required to replicate an artificial cerebellum system aka a brain/nerves/muscles - a body that knows how to move.

If you watch the most recent videos of walking computers you'll notice we are heavily implying we need very effective computer algorithms and vast quantities of data to produce a robot that can walk across the floor.

There is something wrong with that picture. I wonder if sea slugs brute forced traveling across the ocean floor with their supercomputers (now lost to us!).


A slug doesnt need a supercomputer because a slug is working more like this thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv6UVOQ0F44


While this is a good interview and interesting maybe for Hacker News. Why this sensationalist click bait title?

He does one tiny hit of a weed/tabaco joint in the whole show.


No different than the rest of the clickbait bullshit coming from corporate media. The fact that people are making a big deal about this is depressing.


Maybe they're alluding to the $420/share going private tweet? Rumored to be weed inspired


Haven't seen the video yet but by the gifs I saw on twitter it looks like he didn't even inhale.


I don't find it click bait title, but then again I posted it so my pov may be biased.

I thought it was interesting nit-pick to see Musk smoking. I was hoping maybe some other tech/entrepreneurs on the site will open up about their habits. Is smoking weed generally helps programming, managing project? I wouldn't know.

Edit: you welcome to suggest and update.




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