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Because if they would continue to store them in US then all would be well. They are perfectly safe in the US...


If you are a Chinese activist, then yes, of course you are better off with the keys anywhere outside China.


what about American activists? why nobody worries about them?


We do worry about American activists, but the legal system is different here and Americans can easily use services hosted outside the US. Chinese users cannot easily use services hosted outside China.


> Americans can easily use services hosted outside the US. Chinese users cannot easily use services hosted outside China.

Services hosted outside the US by companies with presence in the US fall under Patriot Act which means US can spy on them any time without warrant, but ianal. Even if the company has no presence in the US, there are only a handful of countries that would not bend over to hand data to US. That's why US doesn't need to block access to anything while China has to.


Ok but you're still ignoring the basic fact that activists and even criminals in liberal democracies have legal and human rights.

In China, you have no guarantees and no recourse. Torture, forced confession and retaliation against your family are all on the table.

That's why no one worries about US activists the same way they do about Chinese ones.


ye, Assange is enjoying his human rights as we speak


"no one worries about US activists the same way they do about Chinese ones"? You have only heard one sided stories from western media so far.


Why do Assange and Snowden needs to hide then? Of course US don't need to do anything sketchy, they make them illegal and lawfully send them to jail


> Ok but you're still ignoring the basic fact that activists and even criminals in liberal democracies have legal and human rights.

Such as moving those criminals and activists to Guantánamo Bay? Oh, Obama trolled to shut it down almost a decade ago after acknowledging its wide spread human right violations, why it is still in operation in the same shape and form? You are free to troll whatever you like, that is not going to change the fact that Guantánamo Bay is still being used for violating basic human rights.

liberal democracies? think about Guantánamo Bay.

Please stop spread your highly misleading non-sense. Let's don't even go down the paths of those weekly mass shootings in the US, when the constitution is basically denying their rights to live and the far right elements are calling for teachers to be armed on campus, what you can expect?


Also, US inmate population is far larger than China's one, even though the former population is much smaller. For this, American citizens can either believe their government is abusing human rights, or that Americans in general are more inclined to commit crimes. Which one is it?


I do worry about American activists, which is why I recommend that everyone use end-to-end encryption, especially if the data is stored within the US.


we do, thats why we store in them in Canada.


Apple did fight off the FBI over this issue not long ago. I'm not saying the war is over though... that was just one battle.


Yes, for one shooting event. And then it crawled back to the FBI to help it unlock the iPhone at the next shooting.

https://www.engadget.com/2017/11/08/apple-fbi-unlock-texas-s...


I’m not sure that article says what you’re suggesting it says? Apple offered to "expedite [its] response to any legal process."

It’s unclear whether they’re committing to unlocking the device. Judging by the prior case, I’m not confident that they are?




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