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So you have someone pick up mail and make it look lived-in, but why would someone not just rent it out then?

Why pay for your service (assuming it's not tongue-in-cheek) when you can pay for a property manager (lets be generous and say 10%) and also get rental income to offset the investment?

Ultimately, that's why the city is doing this; Whether the property is rented or owner-occupied, there will be a consumer who is adding to the economy.

UK/London really has a problem with non-occupance - they should definitely follow suit.



Most investor owners really don't care for the yield. They want to hold for capital appreciation. And rentals are annoying, dealing with tennants. Stuff breaks.

Would you care if you purchased a $1m home cash to flip it in a few years for $1.4m?


That's the definition of a bubble - asset detached from fundamental value.


That's how a lot of investors make money:

1. Pick a hot up and coming city.

2. Buy 5 properties at $1m each.

3. Sell in 2-4 years for double the value, preferably paying no tax on the capital gain at all if you (somehow) can.

Rinse and repeat. It's what happened in London in 2008-2014, etc.

You just, as an investor, need to be aware it's a bubble.


How do you time it to avoid the eventual correction?


You don't get too greedy. Usually there's a reason why bubbles form (e.g. a housing shortage in SF and London, gentrification of a certain area in a certain city etc) and often there are secondary factors as well.

Having both a clear exit price and timeframe in mind when buying is probably a good way to do it. Even if a property bubble starts to collapse, there is usually still sufficient time to get out.


Rinse and repeat. It's what happened in London in 2008-2014, etc.

Yeah, that worked really well for me in 2004 – 2009.


Property is one of those things where people are irrational about purchasing, which is good if you want to make money. Some people don't even care about the price -- they want to buy in 201X, and buy a property they shall.

If you believe property to be (significantly) overvalued, then you should rent instead of buy. If you're at the end of a "boom", then it's not unreasonable to wait it out and see how prices progress. Low interest rates also tend to push residential prices higher, because people can pay off more principal monthly vs less if rates are higher. When buying property it's almost always better to buy when rates are high and refinance later than to buy when rates are low.

Buying high and selling low is also definitely a thing. That doesn't necessarily mean you can't find a good deal somewhere (you can), but it'll be much harder.

Tldr: Unlike what most people believe, property is not a "sure thing" investment.


In London, yeah.

Prices today 3 times what they were in 2004. Well above inflation.

Rest of the country, that doesn't attract the "need to hide my money from a foreign tax man" crowd, not so much.


Actually, it mostly not about yield or appreciation.

Its about having more money than you know what to do with.


This obviously depends on the investor, but yes, in many cases, knowing that your money will at least keep its value (or increase with inflation) is sufficient.


  assuming it's not tongue-in-cheek
It is.


> Ultimately, that's why the city is doing this; Whether the property is rented or owner-occupied, there will be a consumer who is adding to the economy.

No, the city is doing this to increase housing supply. We do in fact have a housing crisis in Vancouver, this isn't just political rhetoric. When I was looking for an apartment about a year and a half ago, it was impossible to find one on the open market. Every open house had dozens of people showing up. I was eventually able to get a place through a personal connection; 10000 more units on the market would have made the process a whole lot easier.


I hear that some residents of Monaco who love the low taxes there are maybe not there as many days as they should be out of a given year. I hear they use timers on the lights and so forth to make their home look continuously occupied.




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