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Your comment perfectly illustrates what's wrong with your side of the argument (but don't worry, you are on the side of most of HN):

Isn't the current case in fact exactly what you would hope to see from a government changing in response to gitmo and warrant less wiretapping? If not - what would you expect to see assuming the govt was changing? Honestly curious here, as you seem to want to fight the govt even in the face of "clear and present danger" and even if they had reformed.



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