not the worst summary

just fyi - this is an extremely popular take among the young and non-rich

exactly what the parent comment said - an incentive to not take steps to reduce your risk, leading to more situations like this

yupppp

at least they have to pay lipservice now and not just printing billions and handing them straight to the rich

You've probably already seen it, but if not, checkout https://sandstorm.io/ It didn't do too well commercially, but might have been ahead of it's time

Sandstorm is awesome, but it's nowhere near as simple as installing an app on your phone to use it. Selfhosting something like NextCloud shouldn't be more complicated than selecting it from an app store and going through a quick OAuth flow to tunnel traffic from a domain name.

Completely agreed - setting up Sandstorm itself is a bit of a hassle. Once it's installed, additional apps on the platform are extremely easy though.

Thanks for pointing out nextcloud! Hadn't seen that one before.

What's your project btw?

The real killer for Sandstorm is that each app has to be modified to work with it, and they tend to get out of date. It just never gained critical mass as a platform.

But it had many advantages in terms of security and usability. I think if we can ever truly get selfhosting for the masses off the ground, something like Sandstorm will eventually thrive.

> What's your project btw?

It's not public yet. I'm working on the client software side and partnering with PrivateRouter.com to build out the network. We're shooting for a beta release in the next couple months.

I looked at it and it mandated login with a big cloud provider like Google, which almost completely defeats the purpose by giving them access.

It sounds like you looked at a very early prototype circa 2014? Sandstorm has supported login via email, LDAP, and SAML for a long time.

Thank you so much for sandstorm btw! It's a really incredible piece of software

sandstorm https://sandstorm.io/ 's dream is to make this as easy as installing a phone app. It's still rough around the edges but I think the model is completely right and the security it offers is excellent.

It's also partly the site's culture. Not saying it's wrong, because it adds some noise and not much new info, but I've been downvoted before for posting comments like "Thanks for saying this!"

imo that's the problem - everything gets corporate poseurs so quickly now could just be i'm out of touch and the countercultures have successfully hidden from me tho

idk why every comment i like gets downvoted here :p

this feels accurate to me, it's definitely part of the appeal of music so deliberately unlistenable that it will never become corporate trash

https://paradiserecordshtml.bandcamp.com/album/music-for-7-j... https://chezmonplaisir.bandcamp.com/album/cellphone

arguably, we're facing overpopulation right now