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Llama 3 is far from cutting edge now and the value from quality analytics would far surpass risk adjusted odds of your info leaking.

Not true, it might be something they compromise on to restore relations

That's possible only if fabs are operational after the invasion.

So...like Cisco during dot com bust?

More so I meant to think of oil, copper and now silver. All follow demand for the price. All have had varying prices at different times. Compute should not really be that different.

But yes. Cisco's value dropped when there was not same amount to spend on networking gear. Nvidia's value will drop as there is not same amount of spend on their gear.

Other impacted players in actual economic downturn could be Amazon with AWS, MS with Azure. And even more so those now betting on AI computing. At least general purpose computing can run web servers.


If your competitor refreshes their cards and you dont, they will win on margin.

You kind of have to.


Not necessarily if you count capital costs vs operating costs/margins.

Replacing cars every 3 years vs a couple % in efficiency is not an obvious trade off. Especially if you can do it in 5 years instead of 3.


You highlight the exact dilemma.

Company A has taxis that are 5 percent less efficient and for the reasons you stated doesn't want to upgrade.

Company B just bought new taxis, and they are undercutting company A by 5 percent while paying their drivers the same.

Company A is no longer competitive.


The debt company B took on to buy those new taxis means they're no longer competitive either if they undercut by 5%.

The scenario doesn't add up.


But Company A also took on debt for theirs, so that's a wash. You assume only one of them has debt to service?

Both companies bought a set of taxis in the past. Presumably at the same time if we want this comparison to be easy to understand.

If company A still has debt from that, company B has that much debt plus more debt from buying a new set of taxis.

Refreshing your equipment more often means that you're spending more per year on equipment. If you do it too often, then even if the new equipment is better you lose money overall.

If company B wants to undercut company A, their advantage from better equipment has to overcome the cost of switching.


You are assuming something again.

They both refresh their equipment at the same rate.


> They both refresh their equipment at the same rate.

I wish you'd said that upfront. Especially because the comment you replied to was talking about replacing at different rates.

So your version, if company A and B are refreshing at the same rate, then that means six months before B's refresh company A had the newer taxis. You implied they were charging similar amounts at that point, so company A was making bigger profits, and had been making bigger profits for a significant time. So when company B is able to cut prices 5%, company A can survive just fine. They don't need to rush into a premature upgrade that costs a ton of money, they can upgrade on their normal schedule.

TL;DR: six months ago company B was "no longer competitive" and they survived. The companies are taking turns having the best tech. It's fine.


You can sell the old, less efficient GPUs to folks who will be running them with markedly lower duty cycles (so, less emphasis on direct operational costs), e.g. for on-prem inference or even just typical workstation/consumer use. It ends up being a win-win trade.

Then you’re dealing with a lot of labor to do the switches (and arrange sales of used equipment), plus capital float costs while you do it.

It can make sense at a certain scale, but it’s a non trivial amount of cost and effort for potentially marginal returns.


Building a new data center and getting power takes years to double your capacity. Swapping out out a rack that is twice as fast takes very little time in comparison.

Huh? What does your statements have to do with what I’m saying?

I’m just pointing out changing it out at 5 years is likely cheaper than at 3 years.


Depends at the rate of growth of the hardware. If your data center is full and fully booked, and hardware is doubling in speed every year it's cheaper to switch it out every couple of years.

So many goal posts being changed constantly?

Machinery and scale efficiencies made cost of entry higher than ever though

That's not the case for IT where entry barrier has been reduced to nothing.


That's... So wise... Where is that from

from how to be a plumber --

  Shit flows downhill, payday is on Friday.

You forgot the most important rule of plumbing: Don’t bite your fingernails.

Property taxes are directly and immediately translate into higher rent.

Making rent more expensive doesn't make ownership cheaper, just makes it more attractive relative to renting.


Property taxes do not directly translate into rent, the % of the tax that is on the land value of the property can't be passed on, because the supply of land is inelastic.

https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/does-georgism-work-part-2-c...


Yes & no. Higher costs can obviously be passed onto consumers, but higher taxes make things a less attractive investment, too. The higher your costs regardless of whether a unit is occupied or not, the less interesting it is an an investment.


If we use outsourcing as proxy for what jobs will move to AI first, management jobs will be the last to be replaced.

Managing is about building relationships to coordinate and prioritize work and even though LLMs have excellent soft skills, they can't build relationships.


Spot on. AI might simulate the message perfectly, but it can't hold the social capital and trust required to actually move a team when things get tough.


A full featured mailed client is insanely complicated. If you think mail client is just smtp, you probably think word is just text with some styling and excel is just some cells and functions.


I’m sure, buried somewhere deep in Google systems, are vestiges of mail server code originally written in the 80s. But when people use the name Gmail, they are generally referring to the client facing web app, which does not have any such code.


If it exists, it's probably not at all related to Gmail or only used for testing. I don't think Google reuses a lot of third party code in its first party server software.


https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/18-956_d18f.pdf

I mean it has happened in other Google products...


Even "just smtp" isn't trivial.


It is, or was at least. At the age of 13, I've created one for Windows. It was relatively widely used at the time.


I've seen code entropy as the suggested hueriatic to measure.


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