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Interesting, you think the second amendment is absolute? Can you elaborate on that?

Your comment is absolutely spot on, no notes. Wish your attitude was more popular and prevalent around here. My guess is that before 2017 or so it used to be.

Apparently even Apple doesn't share your opinion. They haven't threatened to leave Europe, Japan or the United States in retaliation for App Store regulations.

That's fine, I have no issue with Apple not sharing my opinion. It's a perfectly understandable and respectable business decision.

Posting right wing flavored hate filled rants is actually a more recent thing here and becoming more prevalent. It's slowly poisioning this site.

How is Apple a monopoly?

They own the only app store you can use on an iPhone.

Okay, using that definition, Walmart, Target, Dollar Tree, my local regional grocery store, Trader Joe's and Ralph's are monopolies as well. They own their shelves and store space, and are the sole arbiters responsible for deciding what is sold within them.

If you have purchased your own Walmart and corporate still decides what you sell within it, then yes, that is exactly the same.

Okay, so it has to be something you purchase - we're slowly getting closer to the true opinion here.

Sony is a monopoly as well then? They decide what gets sold in the Playstation store. Same with Nintendo.

Ford and Tesla are monopolies, they solely decide what is software is sold or used in their car's infotainment center stores, despite the fact that I have purchased the car!

AWS is a monopoly, despite the fact that I purchase an EC2 instance from them for one year they will not let me run certain kinds of software on it (Parler, some crypto, etc.)


If you purchase a physical device, yes. You don't buy devices from AWS, you rent. I'm not sure what's hard about this.

I notice how you intentionally didn't respond to the other two points, interesting.

I responded to all the points. What's unclear?

So Ford and Tesla are monopolies?

If you buy a physical device from them and they control what you can install on it, yes.

Hilarious opinion. Of course they’re not, Tesla and Ford don’t have a dominant market share anywhere and have a tremendous amount of competitors. I think it would help you to take a look at what the word monopoly means.

How many vendors can you buy software for your Tesla from? How many vendors can you buy software for your Dell from?

> How many vendors can you buy software for your Tesla from?

Not many. That's fine. Just buy another car. There's plenty of competition in the space.


Not "not many". One. That's what a monopoly is.

You’re welcome to purchase a car from another vendor. This framing is dishonest

You're not understanding my point. I'm not saying Apple has a monopoly on phones, I'm saying they have a monopoly on iPhone apps. It's the App Store that's a monopoly, and the EU agrees with me, hence the DMA.

Strange opinion. Anyone that holds the SP500 (which is probably 99% of HN users between 9am and 5pm PT) are Apple shareholders, and what’s good for Apple is entirely aligned with what’s good for them.

Taking a further step back, this same group of HN users probably understands the straightforward idea that what’s good for Bay Area tech companies is beneficial to them in a much broader sense, since they’re generally employed by them or by a very small group of other companies closely related to them.

You can accuse them of being greedy, selfish, or whatever, but certainly not that they’re unaware of where their interests lie.


I’m sorry to disappoint you but the EU is unable to create any usable alternatives to US tech chiefly due to lack of SWE talent (among other things). Anyone remotely competent sees the 40k senior SWE salaries offered by European tech companies and immediately crawls through glass just to work at a mid-tier company in the Northern California area of the United States.

Once they pay "modern" US health insurance (esp after a layoff) and also need to raise a family, the vast majority will crawl back through lava.

Still no - PPP (that’s after expenses such as food, healthcare, housing, etc) is significantly higher in the United States.

I believe that would be true (after food, housing, healthcare, taxes, child-care, etc) only for a very narrow band of senior SWE's. And you are still not considering employment protection. And for junior or mid-level SWE's, not at all true for the overwhelming majority.

This is true not only for SWEs, but for the median worker in the United States.

Huh no. I'd never work in the US. I won't even visit there as long as the current regime is in place (and the mandatory social media declaration, which I believe is more bipartisan).

I even moved to a lower wage country in Europe even to a pay cut, money isn't everything. Quality of life is. I won't live in a country that is anti-LGBT and with such a culture glorifying toxic masculinity. And at the same time giving a huge middle finger to the world by having the most polluting country in the world per capita quit climate change reduction efforts.

I don't think you understand how badly Trump has destroyed the reputation and goodwill of the US to the rest of the world in just one year. Everyone I know is actively trying to disconnect from US products and services (though admittedly I am in more activist circles)

And salaries here are a lot higher than that. Even here in a lower-wage country. Also, I don't need a car where I live which scraps a whole category of expenses, healthcare is free and I have protections in case I get fired.


This comment isn’t helpful and adds nothing to the conversation.

When someone makes an argument regarding ‘x’, the correct response is a rebuttal to the argument on its merits. Not “why are you defending x?”


Because if Apple can't defend itself even with the lawyers they can afford, it means that they really are breaking the law.

I don’t understand how this relates to my comment.

This attitude is what’s beautiful about the United States and is in large part responsible for why it’s so wealthy.

There’s a widespread faith and believe in the idea that there’s opportunity in every corner, regardless of familial status or other shortcomings.

This belief is largely factual, as the vast majority of unicorn founders and billionaires come from an upper middle class uninteresting background.


Couldn’t you also say it’s largely unfactual, since the vast majority of strivers and grinders never escape their economic class?

I guess it depends on what opportunity means to you. Does it mean something that’s “likely” or “less than one in a thousand”? To me, a “one in a thousand” chance to strike it rich is not good enough to justify the immense suffering our economic system causes.


Our economic system is actually the only thing that reduces suffering to this extent. It’s basically eliminated poverty, hunger, and healthcare scarcity.

When I say “our economic system” I am not talking about capitalism generally, I’m talking about the US system specifically, where we are:

51st in percentage of the population that lives in poverty [1]

Decent but worse than social democratic countries like France and Germany in hunger [2]

Ranked below Canada, France, Germany, the UK in healthcare outcomes, which all have more socialized systems than we do [3]

So I stand behind my broader point: the culture of individualism in the US benefits a select few and hurts us as a whole.

1: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/poverty-r... 2: https://journalistsresource.org/home/food-insecurity-health/... 3: https://www.commonwealthfund.org/sites/default/files/2024-09...


Calling it "poverty" is a misnomer - in the United States, even the poorest get food, healthcare, and housing.

This is not a productive, helpful, or interesting comment.

If someone has a good argument regarding x, it is not a good response to say “why are you defending x?” Just respond to the argument on its merit. You’re not adding anything useful to the conversation.


Pretty incredible ability to make something so clearly about government overreach into some pet cause about “corporations” or whatever

Are you under the impression that corporations and governments of capitalist countries are somehow independent? The ultimate goal of both of them is to have the greatest amount of power over the greatest number of people. They're an extension of one another more than they are independent entities.

They’re very obviously independent and are not an extension of one another. This is leftist single lens / unidimensional silliness.

You my friend must live in an alternate reality where political leadership isn't obviously enmeshed with corporations to a pathological degree - without a revolving door of people circling between them, without lobbying, without corruption, without special deals to the benefit of the biggest corporations, where private corporations aren't abused to bypass restrictions on government powers, and vice versa.

Lobbying is a tiny industry in the United States and corruption is basically a nonissue. With the exception of the current president I haven’t seen any evidence for widespread corruption in the United States - at most it’s a collection of isolated low impact and rare incidents.

I can only speak for the U.S., but I know a lot of large instances where lobbying was a direct result or sibling of corruption. BMW, Mercedes-Benz, and Bosch all combined their efforts to kill grey market imports into the U.S. starting in 1994 after a campaign they initiated in 1988. This effectively killed imports from Britain, France, Spain, Russia, and Italy and severely shrunk the market for luxury sedans and coupes in the U.S., which backfired as the Japanese were faster to manufacture and took up the slack. Oshkosh created a system to undercut AM General in order to push the L-ATV design over competing JLTV designs. They repeated this tactic in 2021 to ensure they got the contract for the mail delivery vehicle despite not matching the statement of objectives paper as well as Mahindra or Workhorse. Verizon and Comcast combined forces to kill net neutrality, each whittling away at it with targeted campaigns since 2011 until it was finally ended in 2017 and barred from reimplementation this year. Uber, Lyft, AirBnB, Doordash, and other "disruptor" companies collectively spent hundreds of millions of dollars to bypass classifying their workers as employees and to excuse themselves from taxation. Even now they're still trying to reverse the legal landmark that those workers are employees and can form unions. Blue Cross Blue Shield spent tens of millions of dollars cutting off parts of the Affordable Care Act they didn't like. Currently license plate reader manufacturers are lobbying to get contracts with local governments at the city and county level to install facial recognition cameras everywhere they can, and they're lobbying the federal government to allow this breach of privacy in exchange for access to the databases.

Lobbying is only tiny if you look at the individual amounts. Most lobbyists only put forth $5-10,000 at a time because they're not doing it at a national level. But it's the fact that so many do it in so many different places that makes it a threat. Somebody running to be on the city board can have their entire campaign financed by a single donor. A mayor can have their entire income for the year matched by two lobbyists laying the groundwork for a national campaign. One Senator or House member having seven to eight lobby sponsors can almost match their guaranteed salary for that year. There are entire divisions of the finance departments of companies that are dedicated to budgeting for lobbying over the fiscal year. It's a massive force, composed of nearly $4,000,000,000 in "contributions" in 2024 alone.


I strive to live in a version of the USA half as nice as the one you think we live in. We definitely didn't overthrow legitimate governments in the name of big business in South America, the Middle East, or even Hawaii. /s

I remember when I found out that a highly intelligent friend believed the earth was six-thousand years old. But at least he had the excuse that his idiotic religion was pushed on him since birth. Intelligent people on this site are sometime incapable of basic media literacy and I find it wholly depressing.

Keep voting against your interests while others of us fight you tooth and nail to try to make the world better for everyone (rather than just our own teams), even including you.


Sorry but voting in favor of the 1% is very much in my interest. A good chunk of HN will be able to relate to this as SWEs in the SF bay area.

> Sorry but voting in favor of the 1% is very much in my interest.

Which is why people like me have to fight people like you tooth and nail. Despite having a very privileged life, probably similar to yours, I still want the best for everyone, not just my team. I pointed this out in my prior comment. You've now confirmed that you're too selfish to vote against your interests for the betterment of humanity. And you apparently have no sense of shame about it. Have a great holiday.


No I think he had it right the first time. It’s Apple’s platform. They should have the right to do as they like with it.

1. Users paid for it. So it's not entirely Apple's.

Also, Mac is also Apple's platform.

2. Why would Apple be entitled, for example, for any money that people pay to a service outside of Apple's platform?

3. Apple is a part of duopoly for devices which are integral part of life. No, they don't get to dictate everything that's happening on their platform

4. All EU said: behave, be more competitive. Apple behaves as we have seen: a cross between a bully and a petulant child


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