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> This places the blame solely on the workers. Their CEO earns a ludicrous multiple of their wage. They are treated like shit and are expendable. It’s a two way street, treat workers with respect and and you might get some respect from them.

In southern Ontario there are multiple car factories from various makers. The plants of the Detroit Three are all unionized. There are also plants for Toyota/Lexus and Honda, and after decades of asking, the Canadian Auto Workers (CAW) or Unifor unions has not unionized them: the employees are not interested.

Seems that the workers don't feel they need a union as a counter-weight to management at Japanese companies.


> But the man keeps going! He's one of the hardest working people in show business. He clearly takes his craft very seriously, even if he defines it a bit differently from the rest of world.

I still think him (of Star Trek) opening AFI's tribute to George Lucas (of Star Wars) was genius:

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEZVwQptvWw

(Also love Mike Myers' AFI for Sean Connery.)


> You get the sense that he views acting as his side hustle and is waiting for his musical career to take off.

Steve Martin paid the bills with stand-up comedy and acting until his banjo career finally took off.



For anyone not familiar with the concept of "dark forest":

> […] In Liu Cixin's 2008 novel The Dark Forest, the author proposes a literary explanation for the Fermi paradox in which countless alien civilizations exist, but are both silent and paranoid, destroying any nascent lifeforms loud enough to make themselves known.[181] This is because any other intelligent life may represent a future threat. As a result, Liu's fictional universe contains a plethora of quiet civilizations which do not reveal themselves, as in a "dark forest"...filled with "armed hunter(s) stalking through the trees like a ghost".[182][183][184] This idea has come to be known as the dark forest hypothesis.[185][186][187]

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox#Communication_is...

> The "dark forest" hypothesis presumes that any space-faring civilization would view any other intelligent life such as theirs as an inevitable threat and thus destroy any nascent life that makes itself known. As a result, the electromagnetic radiation surveys would not find evidence of intelligent alien life.[8][9] […]

> The name of the hypothesis derives from Liu Cixin's 2008 novel The Dark Forest,[11] as in a "dark forest" filled with "armed hunter(s) stalking through the trees like ghosts".[12][13] According to the dark forest hypothesis, since the intentions of any newly contacted civilisation can never be known with certainty, then if one is encountered, it is best to make a preemptive strike, in order to avoid the potential extinction of one's own species. The novel provides a detailed investigation of Liu's concerns about alien contact.[2]

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_forest_hypothesis

* Kurzgesagt (10m): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAUJYP8tnRE

(Cixin's novel probably made the idea famous, but others (Brin, Bear) have explored it previously.)


All the quotes miss the simplicity of 3 rules of Cosmology or whatever it was called in the trilogy.

The essence of the Dark Forest theory:

1. Survival is the primary goal of any civilization.

2. Life expands to fill all available space, but resources are finite. Roughly speaking, like humans cutting down forests to expand cities without caring what happens to the ants living there — if expansion is needed, it’s done.

3. Progress is unstoppable. If one group hasn’t mastered fusion yet, they will say in a thousand years — and then they’ll come for the others because of points 1 and 2.

The author builds the novel on the idea that we shouldn’t be sending signals into space, but rather stay quiet and avoid drawing attention. Because in his view, once one civilization detects a signal from another, the safest move is to eliminate it immediately — without taking the risk of finding out whether it’s friendly (for now) or already not.


Another factor that as far I remember was present in the novel was technological acceleration, by the time you detected the first tries of "turning on the lights" of an emerging civilization many light years away, that civilization is not an emerging one anymore, and even more by the time you can get there, and they may eventually be able to do something to harm or destroy your own civilization, so it is not something that should be left unchecked.

And technological acceleration is a constant in that universe, the attackers were just a bit ahead of us in technological advancement, lets say a few hundred years, not the millions or billions of years ahead of the very bad ones.


#2 doesn't seem to consider how much stuff there is out there. Why bother harvesting resources from a gravity-laden planet when you can almost certainly get them from asteroids or other places?

Furthermore, while we may not care about "ants", we do - at least to some degree - care about the impact on wildlife and the environment. Probably not as much as we should, but our concern has only grown over time, so I'm not sure I buy the suggestion that a super-advanced civilization would go the extreme opposite way and not care about the impact it has on "lesser" life forms.


> Why bother harvesting resources from a gravity-laden planet when you can almost certainly get them from asteroids or other places?

Why bother digging up a carbon laden energy source from the depths of a gravity laden planet instead of using solar energy or wind or any other energy source that is less harmful?

Seems really illogical … oh wait, thats just an intelligent life-form.


> Why bother digging up a carbon laden energy source from the depths of a gravity laden planet instead of using solar energy or wind or any other energy source that is less harmful?

Well at least one reason might be that you're currently unable to use those latter forms of energy as well as you can the former.

Anyway, using the way we act as a comparison for how these other civilizations might act doesn't make sense to me - we're nowhere even remotely close to being a threat to other civilizations. By the time a civilization reaches the point where they can travel between stars, I do suspect they'll be using renewables pretty dang heavily


That's why I gave the example of solar: we've been able to utilize solar for a long time yet only now is it become a serious source of energy. Windmills have existed for probably 200 years but have not been taken seriously as a source of energy.

I'm not talking about mining asteroids, I'm talking about other sources of energy that have been known to us but which we don't utilise because of self-interest of oil companies - not money or cost, self interest. Money & cost are regulated by us not money.

So to say these other sources of energy weren't viable from a financial PoV might be correct but it goes against our own self-interest.

> I do suspect they'll be using renewables pretty dang heavily

That's like saying "in any case, the future will be better". As humans have shown, worse comes before better in history. Howabout making the present better first?


We haven't been able to utilize solar to the degree we have been able to utilize oil for all that long, and since it has, our utilization has only grown.

"Commercial concentrated solar power plants were first developed in the 1980s. Since then, as the cost of solar panels has fallen, grid-connected solar PV systems' capacity and production have doubled about every three years. Three-quarters of new generation capacity is solar"

This says nothing of, say, hydro power, which we have been using for a while

> That's like saying "in any case, the future will be better". As humans have shown, worse comes before better in history. Howabout making the present better first?

Mate I said nothing about our future or present. It's just absurd to assume our past has any bearing on how super-advanced space-faring civilizations will utilize technology.


I mean we could be just like rodents to them, I won't think people care about uprooting rodents

Maybe, but to me, it would be as if we dug into a prairie dog's tunnels, killed them all and stole whatever little bits of food they have. It just doesn't make sense.

So how is it that the amazon is disappearing? Coincidence or human interference?

Humans have demonstrated a cycle of 1. exploitation to the point destruction, 2. Realisation of the damage they have inflicted, 3. Green washing and band-aid fixes 4. Rinse and repeat.

Be it waste handling, colonisation, industrial revolution, slavery, oil extraction etc etc.

At least for the time being, prairie dog tunnels seem safe.


Like I said, we should probably care more, and generally speaking, we do, over time. I'm not suggesting we're perfect, that we haven't made any mistakes, or that we won't make any more - just that we're slowly learning how to do better.

> Be it waste handling, colonisation, industrial revolution, slavery, oil extraction etc etc.

Interestingly, most of these have seen lots of progress in reducing the harms - if not practically eliminating it altogether, such as with slavery.


Colonisation and industrial revolution have reduced the harm? For whom?

Looking it from a white, western male perspective, you're right. From other perspectives this might well not be the case.

A lot of technology has short term benefits but are, in the long term, net negative to either us as species or the environment around us - which is the life support system for us. We as a society have not got a "undo" button for much of this technology, since once the damage has been done in real life, it stays in real life.

So we develop technology, see it fail, and try to fix the issues with more technology not realising that technology might be the problem. Or perhaps it's because we don't have the simplicity of an "undo" button.


Fancy. Much more likely they just ruin their own environment and die. It has happened many times before, since the Great Oxygenation Event 2.4B years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Oxidation_Event


Here's a PBS Space Time episode [1], "Dark Forest: Should We NOT Contact Aliens?", that takes a look at this from a game theory point of view

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXYf47euE3U


This sort of low effort post, we can all recognize right?

Read the book series. Battle with a culture different than your own. The absolute depression by the third book helps you experience this more than this bullshit Cliff’s notes.

Spend a few hours. Jesus.


Are you expecting people will 'just' read the three books to get the context of "dark forest" and then come back to this post after that?

Yes. If they want to understand the author they should spend time with the author (via the books).

I didn’t draw the original premise. I just pointed out that they didn’t understand the Dark Forest. At all.


And yes, Greg was 100% about grappling with the nuances. One of the smartest men I’ve known.

We had an awesome book club talking about historical sci-fi and modernity. He always saw the optimistic side, how humanity could conquer, but I, child of Amazon, could see the end-stage capitalism.

Makes for fantastic dialogue. Read the book series. It’s worth it!


Do any of the third-party package managers (Brew, MacPorts) perhaps use this for things like builds (or even installs, if things are restricted to (e.g.) /opt)?

Homebrew uses sandbox-exec during builds and installs, yeah. To my memory we’ve used it for at least 6 or 7 years, probably longer.

I’ve written a personal system in Common Lisp for building third-party software on macOS (coincidentally somewhat similar to GUIX), and I use sandbox-exec to isolate execution so that only intended requisites affect the build process and so that installation is strictly confined to the configured destination directory, no scribbling outside the lines.

I think Bazel uses sandbox-exec on macOS.


Nix uses the underlying libsandbox function for builds: https://github.com/NixOS/nix/blob/614072adcb56202f0a09532971...

See also perhaps Jesus and John Wayne: How White Evangelicals Corrupted a Faith and Fractured a Nation by Kristin Kobes Du Mez:

> The book examines white evangelical affinity for Donald Trump. Du Mez explains that white evangelical support for Donald Trump during the 2016 United States presidential election was a continuing trend rather than an exception. The book focuses on the militant masculinity that white evangelicals idealize and how it has manifested in a pattern of abuse among evangelical leaders. Du Mez criticizes mainstream evangelicals such as John Eldredge, John Piper, and James Dobson for advancing the evangelical ideal of militant masculinity.[4]

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_and_John_Wayne

The Christianity that is often in the news in the US is of a particular variety.


Dependent on the e-mail sender putting a header with a URL in the message:

* https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8058


It’s effectively a requirement since Feb 2024 when Google and Yahoo rolled out guidelines related to it for bulk senders.

> But there was no option in the MacOS Mail client to unsubscribe.

The functionality for mail clients to offer an "unsubscribe" button is dependent on there being a "List-Unsubscribe" header in the e-mail with a URL:

* https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8058

* https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc2369#section-3.2

If the sender does not put one in then that's hardly the mail client's fault.


Any reason not to use Ascon, which not only got Official Status™ from NIST:

* https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2023/02/nist-selects-l...

* https://csrc.nist.gov/pubs/sp/800/232/final

But was also a lightweight finalist in CAESAR (along with ACORN):

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAESAR_Competition

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascon_(cipher)


Ascon is a stream-oriented AEAD, not a block cipher, and it requires a nonce. Because of this, it would not work for the usecases in TFA, not to mention it's also quite a bit slower than Speck.

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