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Because women are paid less, so couples decide the best paid member will keep working.


Magnifying this effect, my understanding is that men are much more open to marrying down on the income ladder than women are. So the average gap within marriages/partnerships/whatever is even worse than you'd expect just from the base, general salary difference in the population.


Give me a fucking break mate.

If tomorrow the UK says: "Fuck, we screwed up, let's stay in the EU" then the EU will put all their resources behind making that happen. No barriers at all: 4 freedoms and hopefully Schengen, too.

Where do you get the idea that is the EU the one leaving the UK for racist reasons, thus wanting to erect barriers against workers from other countries?


"Banking city" does not mean there's plenty of bank branches around :-)

Companies in the same industry tend to gravitate around each other so they can cluster talent, lobby governments and "build synergies" (sorry for the buzzword), among other reasons. The City of London is that kind of cluster.


As in "if you can import your cheaply sourced products I can export my labour"

or as in "if you manufacture abroad, let me compete with that with moving my talent somewhere else"

or as in "freedom to sell my labour anywhere in the EU"

or as in "you can bring factories to my poorer country, but I can move to your richer country and also benefit"

or as in "part of the 4 freedoms that actually balance each other - they're not a set of 4 freedoms because of identitarian reasons, they exist because they're practical and work well together"

I am a migrant working in the UK and it's quite offensive that you would suggest FoM only lowers wages (HINT: It doesn't, look up the LSE's study about it), suggesting I'm here because I'm cheaper.


>(HINT: It doesn't, look up the LSE's study about it)

Hint, besides a brief stint in the 60s-early 70s, the LSE has for many decades be an establishment institution. It's not going to rock any boats with its research. It's like expecting the bankers to be critical of the banking system. Using immigration to bring cheap labour in has been going on since at least the industrial revolution.

>suggesting I'm here because I'm cheaper

I'm not suggesting anything about you in particular. Well skilled professionals do migrate and command equal or bigger than local average wages too. In pointing out what is the case in general, not for outliers.


What makes you think 10 years is not short term? Last crisis, that we're still recovering and suffering consequences (arguably Brexit is one) from, started 9 years ago.

What makes you think the UK can "win" anything in 10 years if it goes down the Brexit path? or 20 years for that matter, feel free to move the goal posts around. I'm curious.


> "Last crisis, that we're still recovering and suffering consequences"

The last crisis was extended by the actions of the government. Quantative easing to boost the wealth of the private banking sector + austerity in the public sector.

You can't save your way out of a recession, but if you are going to spend your way out of it, the money should end up with people who are willing to spend it in productive ways.

As for Brexit, what's your main economic concern? Imports? Exports? The domestic market?


every company is already leaving.

IT has the blue collars (cheap engineers, sales, support, it) in Ireland and they are staying no matter what (zero tax ftw) while all the expensive ppl who refuses Ireland relocation were in london.

but if London is not EU, now it makes everything too complicated. France already started to glob startups. Germany got two big fortune 500 and Switzerland another.

it's a matter of time until they all move. and take all the service cascade with them.

so if you're afraid of crisis getting worse by fleeing investment, there you have it.


> "IT has the blue collars (cheap engineers, sales, support, it) in Ireland"

That was the case before Brexit, was it not? Companies like Google and Facebook had their European headquarters in Ireland before the Brexit referendum was announced.

> "Germany got two big fortune 500 and Switzerland another."

Interesting that you bring up an example linked to Switzerland, which isn't in the EU (it's not even part of the EEA). Despite that, it does have access to the European single market, something that some European bureaucrats are classing as 'impossible' for the UK post-Brexit. Let's wait and see.

> "it's a matter of time until they all move."

That's what's known as hyperbole. The UK has a large skilled/educated workforce with a strong work ethic. If incentives are made to mitigate against downsides of being out of the EU then I don't see every company leaving, and the ones that do leave will leave behind employees that they helped to train, ready for a competitor to make the most of.


> Interesting that you bring up an example linked to Switzerland, which isn't in the EU (it's not even part of the EEA). Despite that, it does have access to the European single market, something that some European bureaucrats are classing as 'impossible' for the UK post-Brexit. Let's wait and see.

This is how Switzerland has access to the European single market :

- It pays into the EU budget

- It has freedom of movement for EU citizens

- It implements many EU regulations, without having a say in them.

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2016/07/20/how-much-do-non-eu-...

This has been hammered on and on during the campaign : the UK cannot possibly end up with a better deal than what it currently has as a full EU member (with a number of tailor-made opt-outs bordering on unfair to other members, to boot)

The issue is not with "some European bureaucrats", it is with some British people having difficulty coming to terms with reality at the moment.


Addressing your three main points:

- It pays into the EU budget

According to the article you linked to, Switzerland pays far less than the UK for access to the common market. Time will tell what agreements are reached here.

- It has freedom of movement for EU citizens

Which I have no problem with. Oh, did you think that people who voted for Brexit were racist? Surprise!

- It implements many EU regulations, without having a say in them.

Again, from the article you linked to, it states that Switzerland has around 100 bilateral agreements with the EU in order to get access to the single market. Having a multitude of agreements allow a certain level of control over which EU policies to take on and which ones to avoid. Can read more about those agreements here:

http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/count...

I do recognise that the bi-lateral deals with Switzerland took years to get ironed out, and I'm not expecting a quicker turnaround for the UK. What I predict is that we'll go for some form of soft Brexit where the divorce from the EU can happen gradually, which would be better for both sides.


Because you're probably the one spreading. I am a man and I suffer it all the time, including in fucking flights.


And your point is? That women sit spreading their legs as much as men? That the problem doesn't exist?

You are surely kidding?

And in 30 years using public transportation in 2 different countries I call bs on the claim that assholes are equally represented among men and women. It might be a matter of education (women be quiet, men be loud and mainly), but 90% of the times there's issues these are caused by men. Usually in groups.


The point is that this feminist trend of sticking a "man" label over common problems makes me sick. It's unnecessarily confrontational, just like your comment.

And btw yes, the problem, as it is described by the sexist slur "manspreading", exists just in a feminist's mind.

In my experience men and women are equally represented among assholes. I'm glad you shared your different personal experience, though.


Wait, how'd you figure out that the people complaining about manspreading are feminists? Do you often find yourself on the receiving end of sexist slurs?


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So a single sexist slur is enough to make you sick? Wow.


Yes, the repeated, systematic usage of a sexist slur makes me sick.


Ah, you were trolling! Sorry, I thought at first you were serious mate.

For the sake of public documentation, I'll argue:

It is confrontational because invading my personal space by using more than what's assigned to you is unnecessary and rude. Let me repeat something: I am a man and I also suffer from idiots spreading their legs like they've got balls the size of Jupiter. There's no physical nor biological reason for that, like not at all.

Women don't do it. I'm sure you can show me one example of a woman doing it, I can show you 2-3 men per bus trip, easily. It's a matter of education, how we have been educated. Men are educated to become alpha, to use their body to an advantage. Women are educated to be quiet and submissive.

It's not "feminine" to sit spreading your legs. It's very masculine to spread legs and arms, to show a bigger physical presence.

If you can't see why that's wrong then there's little hope for you. Even worse, if you think "feminist" means "against men" then I'm afraid you had a terrible upbringing.


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Wow dude. You're the personification of what's so wrong with the bro-culture in tech.

I'm not losing any argument because you're hardly arguing. You're just closing your eyes to facts: Men are educated differently, hence they act differently. Our society is unfair to women and we keep educating our child with the same mistakes.

On the other hand, you're claiming women have "mood swings once per month", I'm guessing you're referring to their period. I can't even find the words to describe how despicable has been your attitude on this whole thread, but this deserves the Nobel prize of misogyny.

You keep trying to paint yourself as the victim, making it all not only disgusting, but pretty pathetic.

The term manspreading is not sexist because it is something you can fix with education, mainly because it's an educational flaw. We're brought up with the wrong values that put women at a disadvantage, yet you want to compare that to having the period.

And I would mention your upbringing when I feel like to, which is usually when you have shown enough proof of a flawed upbringing (which is common, starting with my own). I'm not sure why you think I shouldn't be allowed to mention it, when it's 100% relevant to you holding a specific opinion.


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Would you both please stop this tedious flamewar?


Why do you fear updating to Windows 10?


a) telemetry

b) I'm worried my fairly nicely working Win7 environment will not work so well after updating to 10, as much as I want to get current with some genuinely useful features.

I'm generally a Microsoft "fan", but this is one of the many reasons I hate on them as much as Linux fans.


Sounds reasonable, thanks for replying!


I never "upgrade" from one Windows OS to another. Always done a clean install. I postponed the upgrade because it's literally a couple of days' time project for me to get my dev environment up to speed. I also planned to purchase a new SSD before doing the new install (kill two birds with a single stone.)

Unfortunatelh I've been so busy with project deadlines that I haven't had a weekend I could dedicate to the new install and set up.

I guess I'm forced to now.


If I were CEO of one of the big companies I would fire the CIO for not tracking critical patching and I would later resign for not making him/her accountable until now.


You are either completely missing the point of the discussion or being obtuse on purpose to push a political agenda.

First of all: There's a law in France that prevents campaign and propaganda 48hrs before the vote. Similar laws exist in other countries (e.g. Spain, where it's 24hr).

Now back to the point: The planting of misleading information pushed the attackers to delay the publishing of the information so much that they fell under those 48hr previous to the vote and still dropped bogus data.

A measure of defense in depth saved Macron's bacon.


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