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I'm also a laptop weirdo and I've had a Framework 13 with the Ryzen 7 motherboard since May of 2022. I run Ubuntu (currently 25.10) on it.

Its a good laptop, but not a great laptop. Its very light and compact (very important to me), and its been reliable, at least since the AMD GPU driver issues were resolved. The matte screen is fine, battery life is adequate, and the CPU meets my needs as a hobby developer.

Overall, I'm happy with it and I expect to use it for many years.

Its biggest issues are the touchpad (it's a diving board design, so you have to always click in the bottom 1/3 of the pad) and the quality of the case. The case flexes slightly if the computer is on an uneven surface, or if you are holding it in one hand by the corner while typing/mousing with your other hand, and this can cause the mechanics of the touchpad to jam. I've trained myself to tap instead of click, but that's me adapting to bad hardware.

I wish the case were more solid, even though I know this would add to the expense, size and weight. I expect to eventually replace every part of this laptop except the case, so I would appreciate more durability.


I tried a coworker’s, I was a bit shocked how poor the case is. Everything flexes badly, especially the keyboard.

I was considering one, but definitely not worth it. I can get a ThinkPad for less and it’s much better quality.


Is it a 13 or 16? I have a Intel gen 12 framework 13 and it feels solid except the display is a little wobbly. The original display tended to swing in a heavy wind a bit much, but they improved the hinge at some point.

13.

The entire laptop can be easily and worryingly flexed by hand when closed.

The keyboard in particular flexes by more than a millimetre when pressing on a key or in between them.

It seems ridiculous when the much cheaper and thinner MacBook Air is far stiffer with no noticeable keyboard flex.


i'm not sure what parent is talking about, i have a fw13 and the chassis and trackpad are effectively identical to macbook's in look-and-feel

Also, something weird:

I looked up my purchase using my Framework account to confirm my purchase date, and it lists my mother board as System: Intel® Core™ i7-1260P. Sloppy record keeping like this doesn't inspire confidence.

It is definitely not, and /proc/cpuinfo confirms it:

model name : AMD Ryzen 7 7840U w/ Radeon 780M Graphics


Could you submit a support ticket around the order record issue? We certainly want to determine what happened there: https://frame.work/support/

Done! Thanks for coming here to read the tough hacker new comments. I really like what you're doing with Framework, and I hope you are able to keep iterating and improving.

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Update: Sorry, there is no mistake! The i7 order was my original pre-order, which I canceled. My order is correctly recorded.


was close to getting one, more for worry free linux compat than for repair, but ended up with a mba instead for now mostly because of the touchpad. someday i will have my perfect linux laptop. i saw the framework youtube video where they failed trying to make a new giant haptic touchpad. don't do this just copy the mac. after you copy the mac you can try to improve it maybe.

> Its biggest issues are the touchpad (it's a diving board design, so you have to always click in the bottom 1/3 of the pad)

Wait, are you saying it's not possible to change settings so that I can

- single finger tap anywhere for a left click,

- two finger tap anywhere for a right click.


No, it is. That's how I use mine.

peace be with you


a funny thing happened why i added and emacs eval mcp tool to claude code

https://hachyderm.io/@jdblair/115605988820465712


When I read "A Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich" when I was about 18, there is a mention of how in the summer they would get nettles in their gruel at the prison camp. Midwestern American me had no idea of the nutritive value of nettles and thought this was another layer of cruelty that the Soviet gulag heaped on its inmates. I had only encountered nettles on hikes in the woods, and held them in the same category as poison ivy.

Years later, dating the Finnish woman who is now my wife, I learned how to gather nettles, about nettle soup, and even that eating nettles can de-sensitize you to seasonal allergies. I had completely misinterpreted that part of Solzhenitsyn's writing, and that his point was that at least when the nettles were growing the gruel had some additional nutrition (like vitamin c) in it.

A lot of knowledge like this has been lost in suburban America.


In the 1930s American lawn care guides would tout volunteer herbs as a benefit of lawns. Today we call them "weeds" and spend a crazy amount of effort, money, and chemicals into eradicating them

If we had always had this attitude towards "weeds", we wouldn't have turned the weedy Brassica oleracea into cabbage, broccoli, kale, collard greens, etc.


In the 90s my dad turned into an organic lawn grower. He was always suspicious of Chemlawn but he used the standard recommended treatment of granulated fertilizer and herbicides. Then he had a revelation about root and soil health, and phosphorus pollution, and he never looked back. The result isn’t the “golf course” monoculture of his neighbors, but its good.


lawns are a disaster from an environmental, cultural, and water-use sense.


When I was growing up in eastern Europe in 80s, older folks in rural areas with various joint ailments would daily gather stinging nettles with gloves and then literally whip themselves on the affected places.

Maybe it was just natural suppressant of pain or anti-inflammatory remedy, certainly no expectation to fix joints themselves (that even current medicine often can't fix) but nobody normal would go through such experience daily if there would be results.


fwiw a lot of us are trying to bring that knowledge back. I'm currently in the process of replacing as much of my grass as possible with creeping thyme, because it's nice underfoot, smells good and doesn't need mowed.


> and even that eating nettles can de-sensitize you to seasonal allergies.

Is there any research backing up this folk remedy? Asking for a partner and multiple family members with severe seasonal allergies


Mechanically it’s probably the same as allergy exposure therapy(https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/04/08/1168714...), which comes in a lot of varieties including oral/digestion.

It’s effective in a clinical setting and honestly too dangerous to recommend in home settings without several layers of precautions.

But, in theory, highly specialized exposures to particular local allergies would be more effective than most of the clinical studies. And that’s what I would expect is driving the folk remedy.

Worth noting, almost all of the treatments like this are VASTLY more effective when done at younger ages. But they are also even more dangerous. So please speak to an allergist first and don’t do stuff you just read online.


Some research suggests it works, some research concludes it is no better than placebo. :shrug:


Eh, good enough for me. Pretty sure placebo won't cut it with the severe allergy of my family members so we can just try and see.

(if it does have an effect then I wouldn't be surprised if it also matters if the nettles were regionally sourced or not - IIRC there were some studies suggesting that that mattered for the effectiveness of honey helping with seasonal allergies or not)


My SO swears raw milk helped for this. Sourced locally it contained local allergens and helped with seasonal allergies.


Offline credit card transactions are still supported, and Square even supports it in the US.

Europe use of debit cards instead of credit cards is much higher than the US.


That’s because credit card benefits suck in Europe and there’s no point to using them.

If you need credit, there are credit options with much lower rates than what credit cards offer.

And the reason credit card benefits suck is due to european interchange fee caps and regulation.


So credit card benefits suck, because the consumers can't be exploited to create a large profit surplus that can partially be used to benefit a small subset of consumers.


Multiple reports have shown merchants are raising the costs for all consumers to cover the credit card accepting costs.

I really hope you're getting paid to pretend to be this gullible to the most basic of the credit-card companies schemes.


As a European consumer, it sounds on point to me?

There are no benefits for any of the credit cards I could get since roughly Corona - I was using them before but all cards which had positive benefits were removed/discontinued since.

Hence I'm back using a debit, because it works the same (no benefits either way) and doesn't come with a monthly bill.


Well that’s why we need the digital euro, so we can stop sending billions overseas to Mastercard and Visa


I don't know that I'd call not paying an extra 5% just to receive 1% back "sucking". It seems like a win-win to me. If you need something, pay for it (with that extra 4% saving) instead of jumping through a million hoops to pretend it's free.


> That’s because credit card benefits suck in Europe and there’s no point to using them.

Theres still a very good reason to use them - buyer protection.

I use a Virgin Atlantic reward card and have it set to pay off automatically, never running up debt. It both protects me as a buyer, and has the benefit of taking ~£500 off annual family holidays, and gives me a free companion seat in the process, effectively halving the price for one of the passengers.


I am not sure what you mean by "buyer protection" but if it's chargeback then it's doable on debit cards too.


If you purchase an item on credit, it's the bank that makes the purchase. You then pay them back, 30 or 60 (or more) days later.

If there's a problem with the item, you can "return" it to the bank — after all, they own it! So in practise you can ask the shop for a refund, or you can ask the bank.

It is a stronger protection than a debit card chargeback.

As an example, I bought flight tickets from an obscure budget airline on a credit card. Months later, beyond the usual debit chargeback time limit, the airline went bankrupt — but my bank purchased that service, and isn't going to provide it! They refund immediately.

https://www.ukfinance.org.uk/our-expertise/cards/chargeback-...


Sorry, meant to say the EU. No clue how it works in the UK


>has the benefit of taking ~£500 off annual family holidays, and gives me a free companion seat in the process, effectively halving the price for one of the passengers.

You know you're paying higher sticker prices to finance that, right?


If I am then so is every other traveler with every single airline in the world.

Go on Virgin Atlantics site, search for any flight, you can then apply points to that, or redeem a companion voucher. That doesn't bump the price up prior to redemption.

I dont "pay" for the points I get, as I'm not spending any extra day to day. The credit card is free.


You're spending more because your shop charges you 3% more. I live in the EU and my prices are 3% lower.


What shop? What on earth are you on about? Every single business in the entirety of the UK charges 3% more to cover virgin giving away cheaper flights? Use your words as this sounds nuts. Credit card rewards aren't exclusive to the UK so I can't work out what on earth you are talking about. If you are suggesting the UK as a whole pays 3% more on every single CC transaction then your argument becomes even more odd as you'd be contradicting your original point.


Co-branded (eg Amex KLM) and business cards were/are exempt from the interchange fee cap regulation.

Though Amex are currently in dispute with the Netherlands who believe the caps do apply to them. I don't think a final judgement has been made yet.


Good luck with Amex in Europe - few places take it and after the 5-6 try, you just give up and get a normal card.


I've had very good luck with it the past 10 years. A few petrol stations in deep rural Spain didn't accept it, but that's all I can remember recently :-) They also have fantastic customer service


They are still useful for buyer protection.


Credit card benefits suck in the US now too, no?


There’s still plenty of options to get cashback and miles and stuff, though?

Best cashback in my country is 1% back, capped at 500€ a year, after you do 33000€ worth of purchases a year.


1 oz =~ 28 grams is a really useful conversion to remember

(signed, an American living in Europe)


28.4 grams. The rounding adds up quickly, and there’s comments here about people trimming borders off of paper maps. That .4 matters. Also, 16oz to 1lb.

Also matters when your buying things for recreational purposes. Especially when only buying points.


the point of knowing the rough conversion is to be able to do head-math to get a close number. I use 30 a lot of the time, b/c most of the time a close estimate is all I need.

if you're cutting off the borders of your map, by all means, use a calculator


And important that Troy is used for metals (31.1) That counts when 1g of gold is nearly $120usd


Grams are ounces. Ounces are pounds. Milligrams are grams. Micrograms are milligrams. Picograms are micrograms.


I had a SPARClassic at home in 1996! It was pretty underpowered, but it worked great as long as you didn't use X. I worked from my brand new PowerMac 7200 over ethernet to the SPARClassic, which gave me MacOS + Solaris as a development environment.


I'm a US citizen living in The Netherlands. Am I a US Person or a Foreign Person?


According to IRS you are definitely a US Person


but it was so much fun to write my own serial networking protocol! and my 2nd stage bootloader for arduino!

...and by the time I finished, the esp32c hardware was released and I didn't need it anymore.


In 2014, in a Starbucks in Los Gatos, CA, I saw someone bring in a (small) desktop PC and a monitor and set it up at a table.


My roommate claims she saw the same in the Valley (in Sherman Oaks/VN in LA) in 2019


This joke was closer to real life in 1999: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FE_acveWUBMMJNU.jpg


I’ve seen that as well a few times.


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