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Not jailing him before the appeal would not be preferential treatment for someone without risk of re-offense or flight.


I read that the ruling mention that they couldn't prove the money was used for the campaign and that the conviction is all about the participation in the conspiration you mention.

To be honest, what I would want to know is if he sent us to war in Libya to hide his crimes. That would be the real evil to me.

Getting him to jail for asking someone for campaign money really gives a weird feeling in that sense.


Macron wants France to recognize a palestinian state as well.

His party lost the last legislative elections. Polls show 78% against recognizing palestinian statehood NOW and without conditions.

He is totally illegitimate in doing so.

He's still going to do it.


That's not what illegitimate means. Polls are no legitimate basis for policy.


No, but losing the legislative elections does.

The polls just reinforce the issue.


Which polls ?


This one from june[0]. 78% that are against recognizing a Palestinian state now, emphasis on now.

0: https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/exclusif-reconnaissance-d-un-et...


FWIW: Polling showed American support for interracial marriages was still underwater in 1992, decades after the Loving ruling. Majortity support only happened on the mid-to-late 90s


You do what you want in the US, but I prefer my country to be a democracy.


You have a parlementaire democratie, so do I. It is not illegitimate for a democraticly elected official to do something within his legal rights that is against the opinion of the people. Doesn't matter wether he "lost" the election, he still won it more than you. You calling it illegitimate is more illegitimate than what Macron is doing.


No he didn't. He lost the election and as a result we don't have any government able to get a majority at the Assemblée Nationale.

Which is why he should refrain from acting such a strong policy shift and what could be perceived as a major change of alliance.

What would be equivalent would be Trump deciding to change a long standing geopolitical policy after he lost the mid-terms and without the US congress having any voice in the matter.


Marie Antoinette was not killed because she was particularly detached but for treason after plotting against the Constitutional monarchy of 1791 along with Louis XVI and many aristocrats at the time.


It would need to be a tax on money transfer to the American counterpart. Cash repatriation or payment for IP rights comes to mind.

Of course, the multinational could also use the funds to invest in Europe, build warehouse or commercial real estate or acquire European startups. I think they already do this to some extent to avoid US tax.

Using these to fund free credits to European cloud providers could be a good way to build up a local alternative. I think we underestimate the importance of free credits in the reliance on the 3 US hyperscalers, especially for startups.


It is looks very similar in France and in the US to some extent. I copy a post I made somewhere in this thread as I think it can help here:

Prosecutors are formally under executive control but since 2013 the justice minister should not give orders on individual cases.

France has an additional layer of independence compared to the U.S. because of the juge d’instruction (investigating judge), who is supposed to be independent from the executive like the courts judges, unlike prosecutors.

I say in principle because judges are appointed in France and not elected (similarly to federal judge in the US from what I understood). The executive as some control through appointments and career advancements but they are not supposed to use it to sanction or reward the judges.

The effectiveness of these independence mechanisms remains a subject of active debate, as evidenced by the relatively recent changes made to them.


That is not what MLP is saying. She said that immediate application of the ineligibility sentence in particular is politically motivated.

And even more precisely, that the judges expressed this political motivation explicitly through the use of MLP running in the presidential election as presenting a risk to public peace.

I'm not claiming it is really in the deliberations as I'm yet to read those.


But the case is about actions that happened before 2017. I think you're mistaken on which law motivates the judges decision in this case.


I think you're wrong here. A law can't be applied retroactively except if it would benefit the defendant and the RN case is about facts that happened before 2017.


But the question is still there. Are you comfortable with a Trump appointed judge having those powers?


To put the long story short: yes.

Americans made their bed, now let them lay in it. Ideally those tools would have been used against him, but since they weren't... now is the time to reap the results of that inaction.


Every democracy has a failure point. The US seems to be past that now, where the executive is starting to ignore the judicial branch. In my view, if the institutions were working correctly, Trump would never have been able to stand again after January 6th, and this would have been as a result of judgements by judges appointed by the executive. But institutions are run by humans and sometimes nothing can save them.


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