> Scheduled arrival in Bonn see that was your second mistake (first mistake was trying to use DB)

too many arm chair game devs who think they know better in this thread

I think what irks people is the number one rule of optimization is to always measure

You never assume something is an optimization or needed and never do hypothetical optimizations

I can see why it would happen in this case though, gamedev is chaotic and you're often really pressed for time

Oh, at first I thought you were talking about websites doing that and I was going to say "sure, those people can't complain, but the rest of us can".

Then I realized you said build systems and eh, whatever. It's not good for build systems to be bloated, but it matters a lot less than the end product being bloated.

And you seem to be complaining about the people that are dealing with these build systems themselves, not inflicting them on other people? Why don't they get to complain?

> Oh, at first I thought you were talking about websites doing that

I'm pretty sure that is in fact what he meant, and that "have build systems" is a typo of "have built systems".

Download bloat is net less impactful than build time bloat imho. Game download and install size bloat is bad. But is a mostly one time cost. Build time bloat doesn’t directly impact users, but iteration time is GodKing so bad build times indirectly hurt consumers.

But that’s all beside the point. What I was really doing was criticizing the <waves hands wildly> HN commenters. HN posters are mostly webdevs because most modern programmers are webdevs. And while I won’t say the file bloat here wasn’t silly, I wonder stand for game dev slander from devs that commit faaaaaaaaaaaaaar greater sins.

Web devs are not a hivemind. That kind of criticism doesn't work well at all when pointed at the entirety of the site.

> Download bloat is net less impactful than build time bloat imho.

Download bloat is a bad problem for people on slow connections, and there's a lot of people on slow connections. I really dislike when people don't take that into account.

And even worse if they're paying by the gigabyte in a country with bad wireless prices, that's so much money flushed down the drain.

Believe you me I wish every website worked on 2G. HN is great at least.

For consoles total disk space is an even bigger constraint than download size. But file size is a factor. Call of Duty is known to be egregious. It’s a much more complex problem than most people realize. Although hopefully not as trivial a fix as Helldivers!

In any case HN has a broadly dismissive attitude towards gamedevs. It is irksome. And deeply misplaced. YMMV.

"Don't 6x your game's install size for no measurable benefit to users"

Wow! It looks like I do indeed know better.

This is the "Read Me First" page on a site absolutely full of documentation...

i built the same thing (though only the notifier, not all the stat tracking) for my friend group back in 2017 when PUBG came out and we were trying to play together as often as we could. can confirm it worked great.

i eventually moved the bot to glitch.com (rip) where we could collaborate on it and it evolved into a monster of in jokes and utilities. it's going offline this week unless i can find the time to migrate it off glitch

> Here's a radical idea: what if your content lived in simple, readable files instead of being locked away in a database

radical 20+ years ago, maybe

> In the US, trips that are 50-300 miles are almost all done by car because that distance is too short for commercial airlines and too far for public transportation.

How can the solution be worse cars rather than better public transport?

is Tidy First? a book I can read or does it require reading the substack in reverse order?

It will be a book.

"garbage collect some processes" is an incredibly poor choice of words to use in a post about laying off 10,000 people through no fault of their own...

money

"Inclusivity is fine, but..."